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Hacking Google for Fun and Profit

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Re: Hacking Google for Fun and Profit

#11
I am in awe of your skills. This is the first time I have heard of this program and I must say that I am a little surprised at how little money they offer to developers in return for them exposing potentially catastrophic bugs. Some engineers at Google must be paid rough $500/hour and more so you would have thought that finding bugs of this magnitude for say $10,000 a pop would still be cheap.

Re: Hacking Google for Fun and Profit

#12

I am in awe of your skills. This is the first time I have heard of this program and I must say that I am a little surprised at how little money they offer to developers in return for them exposing potentially catastrophic bugs. Some engineers at Google must be paid rough $500/hour and more so you would have thought that finding bugs of this magnitude for say $10,000 a pop would still be cheap.

> Some engineers at Google must be paid rough $500/hour and more

You reckon? I doubt that engineers are making ~$1m/yr...

But I agree, that the time spent by someone discovering a bug is worth well over $500. Let say you spend 3-4 evenings playing with it and you find something. that roughly translates into 2 full days of work. Assuming $500-700/day figure (which might actually represent a significant amount of engineers at Google) they should be paying at least $1-1.5k per bug. But even that is on a cheap side I think...

Re: Hacking Google for Fun and Profit

#13
I think these are fantastic finds and I'm even more shocked at Google's response to be honest. Companies like this are usually really defensive and threaten to sue you and cut off all your services.

It takes a bigger man (company), to admit they are wrong and reward people accordingly for helping them.

Although I would never be able to understand security on this level, it has always interested me since the days when hacking guides were galore across the Lycos and Yahoo directories

Re: Hacking Google for Fun and Profit

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Well done -- an accomplishment indeed. Great content aside, I found the tone especially refreshing. Too often, it's "look how smart I am, and how stupid you all are" -- the brilliant jerk archetype. Thank-you.

Thanks :)

I also like the way you spent the money. There are a lot of articles on HN about how to get rich. But you gave a nice example of loving your job and caring about society.

Re: Hacking Google for Fun and Profit

#15
Very nice write-up! Especially since RSnake stopped writing ha.ckers.org, great and educational reports have been rather scattered (unless anyone knows some good blogs on that subject? hm, makes me wonder if the sla.ckers forum is still up ...).

You conclude that these bugs are "subtle", but I don't quite agree. In some sense, ClickJacking is always "subtle"(vuln 2 and 3), and you can argue the same for any kind of side channel information leakage (vuln 1 and 2).

Except that clickjacking is known for years now and should be considered serious like XSS.

And the information leakage, well, it's IMO just not allowed to happen if you're a huge corporation implementing a worldwide single-sign-on identity service and many different types of web applications, while claiming to care about your user's privacy. It should be their number one priority and failing this means they're rolling out new features in a tempo that simply means they cannot hold true to claims about privacy.

Somebody else mentioned the tone of this article. While I'm not a big fan of the "jerk" attitude either when it comes to security testing (mostly because usually the bigger the mouth, the less interesting their feats), a security vulnerability is still a coding mistake that always ends up inconveniencing or endangering the privacy of the userbase. And I think that should be said. Which the author did. But he also downplayed the bugs by calling them "subtle" and then immediately praising Google for how lucky we are that they fixed them so quickly ... maybe I just do prefer the jerks, after all.

Re: Hacking Google for Fun and Profit

#16
Those are the kind of personal hacker blog posts I really like: most of the time spent was actually hacker-stuff and he presents the results - not 90% spent on an article of pointless musings for nothing but self-promotion.

Re: Hacking Google for Fun and Profit

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post #12

I am in awe of your skills. This is the first time I have heard of this program and I must say that I am a little surprised at how little money they offer to developers in return for them exposing potentially catastrophic bugs. Some engineers at Google must be paid rough $500/hour and more so you would have thought that finding bugs of this magnitude for say $10,000 a pop would still be cheap.

> Some engineers at Google must be paid rough $500/hour and more You reckon? I doubt that engineers are making ~$1m/yr... But I agree, that the time spent by someone discovering a bug is worth well over $500. Let say you spend 3-4 evenings playing with it and you find something. that roughly translates into 2 full days of work. Assuming $500-700/day figure (which might actually represent a significant amount of engin…

You are right. $500/hour might be a bit extreme but I think we both agree Google is extremely cheap!
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