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India lifted 415M out of poverty in 15 years, says UN

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Re: India lifted 415M out of poverty in 15 years, says UN

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Didn't China ( https://www.worldbank.org/en/news/press-release/2022/04/01/l... ) and the USSR ( https://borgenproject.org/tag/poverty-in-the-former-soviet-u... ) do similarly?

Most communists and socialists will refer to both the USSR and China as capitalist projects on accelerated timelines. They were trying to speed-run from feudalism, through capitalism, to communism.

At least that's what comes up when you mention the problems that these countries have.

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Didn't China ( https://www.worldbank.org/en/news/press-release/2022/04/01/l... ) and the USSR ( https://borgenproject.org/tag/poverty-in-the-former-soviet-u... ) do similarly?

China's unprecedented generational explosion into the middle class happened only after Deng Xiaoping instituted market reforms. Economically, China is certainly more socialist than the west, but far more capitalist than it was in the 1970's.

Same with USSR/Russia, post-communism.

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Do millennial and gen-z Indians have a similarly skeptical view towards capitalism held by so many young people in NA and the EU?

I had a friend tell me the other day that I couldn't be anti-racist if I wasn't anti-capitalist, because capitalism is by inherently racist. Ever since 2018 or so it seems as if anti-capitalism has become part of the mainstream progressive Western viewpoint, while I don't remember that being the case in the 2000s. Are these views held around the world, or do I just have a very well-selected sample?

Re: India lifted 415M out of poverty in 15 years, says UN

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Such an awesome accomplishment.

Also, it’s interestingly a huge black eye to the CCP: news of this Indian accomplishment will be censored in China, because it proves that nations can progress without forced-sterilization/-abortion/-1-child-policy/authoritarianism/ etc.

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Earlier quoted context omitted.

Didn't China ( https://www.worldbank.org/en/news/press-release/2022/04/01/l... ) and the USSR ( https://borgenproject.org/tag/poverty-in-the-former-soviet-u... ) do similarly?

The millions dead in the Holodomor and the Great Leap forward certainly don't have any need for money anymore.

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Didn't China ( https://www.worldbank.org/en/news/press-release/2022/04/01/l... ) and the USSR ( https://borgenproject.org/tag/poverty-in-the-former-soviet-u... ) do similarly?

Only after they gave up a planned economy.

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It's not hard, really, given that you will need to make only $1.90 per day to automatically become declassified as poor [1]. If anything, capitalism makes this harder to do achieve [2] which probably explains why the limit is set so low.

[1] https://www.investopedia.com/terms/i/international-poverty-l...

[2] https://www.sciencedirect.com/science/article/pii/S0305750X2...

Re: India lifted 415M out of poverty in 15 years, says UN

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Earlier quoted context omitted.

Your second link refers to poverty being reduced after the fall of communism, when former Soviet states instituted capitalist reforms.

There was a massive drop in living standards in the former Soviet Union after the introduction of capitalism in the 90es. Average life expectancy dropped something like 10 years, corresponding to millions of dead.

>There was a massive drop in living standards

that tends to happen when the government runs resources down to near-zero, forcing the new system to start from scratch.

had the conversion occurred earlier, when the USSR was still a reasonably successful state, I suspect it would have gone nicer.

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