*unveiled (on Oct. 25)
Jack Dorsey Unveils Bluesky Social, the Decentralized Twitter
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Re: Jack Dorsey Unveils Bluesky Social, the Decentralized Twitter
#12Decentralized means complicated and no regular people will use it.
Re: Jack Dorsey Unveils Bluesky Social, the Decentralized Twitter
#13now hire back the twitter moderation team, and you’ve effectively recapitulated the freenode/libera hard fork of 2021!
Oh lord I just made that parallel between the kid who took over freenode and Elon the other day. Both spoiled brats. The two situations are actually very similar, even down to the crowd that took over freenode when everyone sane left for libera.
tell me, have YOU ever seen andrew lee and elon musk together?!
stay tuned for the secret south african prince NFTs :)
Re: Jack Dorsey Unveils Bluesky Social, the Decentralized Twitter
#14I think there are two interesting sides to this here: First is that essentially a key part of this strategy is ideological, not pragmatic. Centralization came out of pragmatism, not ideology. It seems hard for me to believe that deliberately choosing the less efficient solution is a good idea for a start up. The second is that we seem to be seeing a lot of VC brain here. By that I mean, I can scream at a VC "OMG THER…
If the speech is illegal in whatever jurisdictions apply, then remove it; otherwise, it should stay. Yes, even trolling and slurs. If a platform emulating the public square goes beyond what is legal, it ceases to be a neutral platform and inevitably becomes a vehicle for propaganda. I realize that means propaganda could be spread by the users, but I'd rather than than the platform and users spreading it. The real que…
Bleh, I find your position is boring because it's so easily shown to be unworkable.
Imagine there have a platform run as you suggest and I don't like what you're saying on it: I flood you and anyone that supports you with not-quite-illegal abuse, misinformation, non-sense, spam, false flag support from people with deplorable views. Copy-cats of you that take your positions but weakly argued or with a touch of added genocide. At the end of the day almost no one will see what you wrote, and most of those that do will think you're probably a kook with deplorable views (since that's what you're surrounded with).
Censorship that works by outright blocking speech is a largely outmoded concept in a world where communications networks connect every one to everyone else. In such a world flooding with noise that undermines the conversations people want to have and undermines their willingness to attempt the conversations is a more effective tool to censor communications. Outright blocking isn't very effective, unless it's done secretly, because people will route around it and plugging leaks is extremely hard (requiring essentially AI complete filtering).
As such, censorship is now essentially its own opposite.
This means there really are no magical silver bullets. We ought to stop pretending that private spaces are public squares though-- though this is a problem offline too: with eminent domain being used to seize land and create giant privately owned open air shopping malls in many places... but at least offline doesn't have the same scaling properties that make it so easy to censor by inundating with noise.
Re: Jack Dorsey Unveils Bluesky Social, the Decentralized Twitter
#15Decentralized means complicated and no regular people will use it.
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Re: Jack Dorsey Unveils Bluesky Social, the Decentralized Twitter
#16now hire back the twitter moderation team, and you’ve effectively recapitulated the freenode/libera hard fork of 2021!
Oh lord I just made that parallel between the kid who took over freenode and Elon the other day. Both spoiled brats. The two situations are actually very similar, even down to the crowd that took over freenode when everyone sane left for libera.
Can you elaborate on why Elon is a "spoiled brat"? The term "spoiled brat" generally is implied toward people who were raised in a pampered lifestyle. Contrary to that Elon was bullied as a child in a motherless household with a task master of a father. Further, he had to work for his college payments rather than having his parents pay for it.
Re: Jack Dorsey Unveils Bluesky Social, the Decentralized Twitter
#17(EDIT: No it's not) This is the scuttlebutt protocol to anyone wondering. First mentioned on HN many years ago. I'm very into this stuff. I was into scuttlebutt long before bluesky was announced even. But the problem I see is that with ActivityPub I already have a whole ecosystem of software and libraries, while with ssbc I have no idea where to even start. When ssbc was first announced I tried using it briefly but i…
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Re: Jack Dorsey Unveils Bluesky Social, the Decentralized Twitter
#18No thanks. I'm done with Jack and I'm done with Elon. Mastodon is great and it's already starting to feel like home. Don't need anymore drama from these reckless people.
Mastodon is only free of issues because the masses haven't found it yet. Give it a few years and it'll be the same as or worse than twitter, given Mastodon's lack of moderation.
Re: Jack Dorsey Unveils Bluesky Social, the Decentralized Twitter
#19(EDIT: No it's not) This is the scuttlebutt protocol to anyone wondering. First mentioned on HN many years ago. I'm very into this stuff. I was into scuttlebutt long before bluesky was announced even. But the problem I see is that with ActivityPub I already have a whole ecosystem of software and libraries, while with ssbc I have no idea where to even start. When ssbc was first announced I tried using it briefly but i…
> This is the scuttlebutt protocol to anyone wondering.
Bluesky is not related to secure scuttlebutt, they are working on a new protocol currently called "AT Protocol". https://atproto.com
ATP is mainly federated so a bit closer to mastodon/matrix than SSB which is quite a bit more decentralized iirc. Do check out their docs, it's a work in progress but should give you a better insight to what they're doing.
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#20(EDIT: No it's not) This is the scuttlebutt protocol to anyone wondering. First mentioned on HN many years ago. I'm very into this stuff. I was into scuttlebutt long before bluesky was announced even. But the problem I see is that with ActivityPub I already have a whole ecosystem of software and libraries, while with ssbc I have no idea where to even start. When ssbc was first announced I tried using it briefly but i…
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