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Re: App Store Ads Gone Wild

#11

It’s too much money to turn down. The costs are next to nothing. Sure, there might be some effects where a few users are turned off and leave the platform, but the loss of those users is likely outweighed by the gains from advertising, probably by a lot. I wouldn’t be surprised if they have A/B tested that to the extent that they can. You are welcome to hate it but that’s the calculation they and everyone else who se…

> The costs are next to nothing

Ads are certainly profitable - the cost is damage to the user experience.

Historically Apple has prioritized user experience, which is probably why many Apple users (Gruber et al.) hate this.

Re: App Store Ads Gone Wild

#12
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Schiller took over the App Store in 2015. App Store Search Ads started in 2016.

Well shit. There goes that thesis.

We should really inform Phil of our disappointment. It's not like he needs more money after all. ;-)

Re: App Store Ads Gone Wild

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in previous comment threads I have expressed disdain that short-term optimization has long-term costs, and really, always takes away from future collateral. people like to argue with me about that. the problem described in this article is a perfect example of what I mean. Apple can A) take money for gambling ads, and place those ads at the expense of losing trust sometime afterwards, or B) not take that money, costin…

Unfortunately Apple seems to be happy with selling off the goodwill that it has built up over decades.

I suppose that's OK, since it opens up opportunities for other companies.

Re: App Store Ads Gone Wild

#14
post #9

Facebook has been a really great shield for Apple in recent years by dominating the media through [advertising outrage]. Now that Facebook has decided to shoot itself in foot by going all in on the metaverse (the new narrative), a lot of Apple’s more self-interested decisions are starting to come to light. What started off as Apple’s commitment to privacy is now getting laid bare as pushing out and replacing their co…

To me it seems shortsighted and self-sabotaging to damage your OS by embedding ads, but I guess we'll see how it turns out.

Re: App Store Ads Gone Wild

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post #8

in previous comment threads I have expressed disdain that short-term optimization has long-term costs, and really, always takes away from future collateral. people like to argue with me about that. the problem described in this article is a perfect example of what I mean. Apple can A) take money for gambling ads, and place those ads at the expense of losing trust sometime afterwards, or B) not take that money, costin…

> the more you optimize for revenue generation today, the smaller your long-term resources become. Is this actually true? I know that a lot of people assume it's true, they want to believe it's true, but I'm not sure the empirical evidence supports it.

resources, be they "good will", "mind share", or good old fashioned money, are not infinite.

when you earn money today, it comes from somewhere. if you optimize for money acquisition rate, you start pulling from not only different places, but different times.

If I say "screw it" and impulsively buy a new sports car today, I won't have money to buy the much better car I want next year. Today's itch is scratched, and I can report to my family that we have a new car. (I have optimized for the short term.)

Later, I can sell the car I bought today, but I won't get what I paid, and because of that, I can't get the car I had planned on getting, which is not only a much better value, but is perfect for my family and its needs. I take from my bank account in the future to get what I want today. Said another way, I have less in my bank account in a year because I jumped the gun today.

This is what I mean when I say that optimizing for today borrows from the future. Your resources in the future are more limited because you optimized for the short term when you made an important decision. Optimizing for the short term pulls those rewards you are getting from somewhere, and unless you are stealing, you're pull those rewards from your future self.

Optimizing for the longer term can indeed also reward in the short term, and I'm not talking about anything like that. I'm talking about making decisions where your only decision criteria is what you want right now. This is, to me, what Apple's now-suspended decision to allow gambling advertisements REEKED of. It just stank of "we could have more money right now and improve our quarterly numbers if we let people do this" and is classic business optimization of the short-term.

Re: App Store Ads Gone Wild

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post #8

Earlier quoted context omitted.

> the more you optimize for revenue generation today, the smaller your long-term resources become. Is this actually true? I know that a lot of people assume it's true, they want to believe it's true, but I'm not sure the empirical evidence supports it.

resources, be they "good will", "mind share", or good old fashioned money, are not infinite. when you earn money today, it comes from somewhere. if you optimize for money acquisition rate, you start pulling from not only different places, but different times. If I say "screw it" and impulsively buy a new sports car today, I won't have money to buy the much better car I want next year. Today's itch is scratched, and I…

This reply was entirely conceptual and didn't give empirical evidence that companies "burning goodwill", as it were, actually hurts them financially in the long run.

Apple has become so big and powerful, consumers don't have much of a choice. The mobile OS market is a duopoly, with Apple one of the duopolists. What are Apple customers going to do, switch to Android? Google is almost 100% an advertising company, so the grass is not greener on the other side.

There seems to be a vague hope that someday this will come back to bite Apple, but that's all it is now, a hope. Meanwhile, Apple is still bringing in record revenues.

Re: App Store Ads Gone Wild

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post #18

Earlier quoted context omitted.

resources, be they "good will", "mind share", or good old fashioned money, are not infinite. when you earn money today, it comes from somewhere. if you optimize for money acquisition rate, you start pulling from not only different places, but different times. If I say "screw it" and impulsively buy a new sports car today, I won't have money to buy the much better car I want next year. Today's itch is scratched, and I…

This reply was entirely conceptual and didn't give empirical evidence that companies "burning goodwill", as it were, actually hurts them financially in the long run. Apple has become so big and powerful, consumers don't have much of a choice. The mobile OS market is a duopoly, with Apple one of the duopolists. What are Apple customers going to do, switch to Android? Google is almost 100% an advertising company, so th…

ok you're right, and cancel culture never happens on any scale or time frame.

how foolish of me.

Re: App Store Ads Gone Wild

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post #18

Earlier quoted context omitted.

This reply was entirely conceptual and didn't give empirical evidence that companies "burning goodwill", as it were, actually hurts them financially in the long run. Apple has become so big and powerful, consumers don't have much of a choice. The mobile OS market is a duopoly, with Apple one of the duopolists. What are Apple customers going to do, switch to Android? Google is almost 100% an advertising company, so th…

ok you're right, and cancel culture never happens on any scale or time frame. how foolish of me.

I don't know what you mean here. This seems like a non sequitur.
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