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Re: macOS 13 Ventura review

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Post by akmarinov »

timw4mail wrote: post #10
anonymouse008 wrote: post #8

To everyone who worked on System Settings, you put in a ton of work, and you're all very talented to ship something in a new framework (SwiftUI) that has gone on to millions of devices. I only have one question: who was in charge of the thumbs up / thumbs down on this new design? Was it Craig Federighi? You all did amazing work with the tools offered - SwiftUI makes the side bar navigation and simple cell table views…

I don't see the point of the change. It looks too much like iOS.

Rumor is macOS is coming to iPads, so makes more sense when you think of it that way

Re: macOS 13 Ventura review

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Post by vanilla_nut »

anonymouse008 wrote: post #8

To everyone who worked on System Settings, you put in a ton of work, and you're all very talented to ship something in a new framework (SwiftUI) that has gone on to millions of devices. I only have one question: who was in charge of the thumbs up / thumbs down on this new design? Was it Craig Federighi? You all did amazing work with the tools offered - SwiftUI makes the side bar navigation and simple cell table views…

I hope the SwiftUI devs have accessibility improvements planned for the next year. So many of the SwiftUI GUIs have little or no keyboard support: you have to use the mouse. I know accessibility isn't a sexy feature to work on, but all it takes is one little black swan misfortune and you're plunged deep into the purgatory of NEEDING accessibility features.

Sidenote: I wonder if we'll one day see government enforcement of software akin to the physical spaces governed by the ADA.

Re: macOS 13 Ventura review

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Post by jffry »

vanilla_nut wrote: post #12
anonymouse008 wrote: post #8

To everyone who worked on System Settings, you put in a ton of work, and you're all very talented to ship something in a new framework (SwiftUI) that has gone on to millions of devices. I only have one question: who was in charge of the thumbs up / thumbs down on this new design? Was it Craig Federighi? You all did amazing work with the tools offered - SwiftUI makes the side bar navigation and simple cell table views…

I hope the SwiftUI devs have accessibility improvements planned for the next year. So many of the SwiftUI GUIs have little or no keyboard support: you have to use the mouse. I know accessibility isn't a sexy feature to work on, but all it takes is one little black swan misfortune and you're plunged deep into the purgatory of NEEDING accessibility features. Sidenote: I wonder if we'll one day see government enforcemen…

> Sidenote: I wonder if we'll one day see government enforcement of software akin to the physical spaces governed by the ADA.

I should think large tech companies would be happy to advocate for such regulation, because it creates another (small) barrier to entry for competitors

Re: macOS 13 Ventura review

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Post by vanilla_nut »

Scharkenberg wrote: post #2

I tried Stage Manager and turned it off within 10 minutes. It does seem somewhat better than the iPad implementation, but that bar is so low that this feature at the current state deserves no praise whatsoever. The new System Settings app is kind of buggy, which makes me think that 13.1 is coming sooner (by the end of the year?) rather than later. Other than that, there isn't much I can personally say about Ventura.…

The saving grace of the System Settings app is simple: System Preferences sucked too. Even as a macOS user for my entire adult life, looking at that tile layout seemed to hide categories from my mind.

Does anyone know what functionality has been lost in the transition? I was hunting around for it after I upgraded myself, but it's so different it's hard to compare. Ars' mapping indicates things are mostly still there. But I also can't seem to reorganize my connection priority list for WiFi networks. I wonder if the PM in control of the WiFi network settings panel even knows that feature exists.

Re: macOS 13 Ventura review

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Post by behnamoh »

> it does feel like the software side of the Mac is lacking its own unique direction and identity lately. Overwhelmingly, new features for macOS merely help it keep pace with what is happening on the iPhone and iPad. That feels doubly true in Ventura

This. macOS is now a second class citizen in Apple’s ecosystem. If it weren’t, simple and basic features that users actually want would be implemented long ago, such as a window management so that we don’t need to install Tiles/Magnet/…

Re: macOS 13 Ventura review

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Post by barkerja »

timw4mail wrote: post #10
anonymouse008 wrote: post #8

To everyone who worked on System Settings, you put in a ton of work, and you're all very talented to ship something in a new framework (SwiftUI) that has gone on to millions of devices. I only have one question: who was in charge of the thumbs up / thumbs down on this new design? Was it Craig Federighi? You all did amazing work with the tools offered - SwiftUI makes the side bar navigation and simple cell table views…

I don't see the point of the change. It looks too much like iOS.

The previous System Settings UI was long overdue an update. While the new UI does very much resemble macOS, I don't see that as an issue, as it works very well in this context. At least, I believe it does, but I am no UI/UX expert.
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