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Re: Fake Books

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post #8

#1 on HN and no comments? I'm curious how the ranking system here works... Posts with the greatest # of upvotes per minute?

Amazon review bots upvoting HN articles about themselves?

I wonder if it's a few keywords in there. Let me try.

https://news.ycombinator.com/item?id=33313447

let's see what happens.

It got 7 points and then flagged.

Then again maybe this is a bad test. Perhaps just reposting the above story in a way to dissuade human upvoters would be the right approach.

Then I'd have to withhold it for a couple hours and reveal it later

Re: Fake Books

#15
post #7

We knew it was coming once GPT-3 was released, but I personally didn’t think it will come so fast in a form of printed books. I wonder how hard would it be to train a model that given a longer passage of text could tell with a high certainty that it’s machine generated?

Then you might run into the problem that chess has right now: if you happen to write in a style a GPT-3 trained model would write you will be declared a fraud. You might argue, who writes in a style of said model? Obviously: The corpus of data that trained the model. If you are one of them part of your writing ends up in there. Maybe writing styles are transformed to be more in line with GPT-3 trained models, lets face it. AI writes good prose and people will read more and more generated content and thus adept the style.

Re: Fake Books

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I think there’s a good chance it was ghost written by a content farm for someone who wanted to publish a book in a popular category to make a quick buck. I recently learned that this is a soft-scam technique advocated for by a couple of guys called the Mikkelson Twins. They say you can make money by publishing audiobooks on audible by finding a popular topic on audible, then hiring a ghost writing service to write your book, then hire a voice actor to record it, publish it on audible, and then you too can become fabulously wealthy as the Mikkelson Twins claim to be. Except what the Mikkelson Twins actually make money on is selling you on a “money making course” where they tell you to do the above. So there’s all kinds of people trying to follow this method out there, it seems.

This excellent video [1] from Dan Olson at Folding Ideas is in my opinion a fascinating deep dive in to this whole scam. I don’t want to spoil everything in the video, but Dan does an exceptional job exploring how this ghost writing works, and why it produces the kind of nonsense writing that looks like GPT-3 but is actually being done by an overworked human who is trying to write an entire novel in three weeks or so on a topic they haven’t had time to properly research.

[1] https://youtu.be/biYciU1uiUw

Re: Fake Books

#18
post #13

Its a scary concept - internet and books being nothing but generated content is going to be a sad world.

Or maybe people will start paying attention to references and provenance, and start looking into sources of information - maybe even more widespread use of cryptographic signatures. Misinformation has always been out there, and so there are tools to deal with it. Perhaps now is our chance to make these tools wide spread.

Re: Fake Books

#19
Wow! Fantastic article. With AI generated stuff I expect we are going to see 99% of the book market saturated with generated nonsense, then collapse as a market for lemons.

Re: Fake Books

#20
post #10

This has been a concern of mine for a while; I have also published absolute garbage just to see how far I can take it. I've published music under various pseudonyms, books underneath different pen-names... the list goes on. I've retracted such publications, but it is frightening if one person like myself had the curiosity to try, what is already out there, and, what a well-funded nation-state actor could do. ---- Pos…

Are you the same gzero who was featured in the Snowden leaks?

If so, long time no see. Hope all is well.

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