Why not just make it CGI (or FastCGI) compatible so you can test it locally or run it in other environments? At least for things that are actually generating responses rather than acting as middleware.
Oh, right, vendor lock-in.
Cloudflare Pages: Best server tech since CGI-bin?
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#12The rest of the industry haven't even started figuring out what Cloudflare Pages Functions + Durable Objects can do. Workers can also send emails for free, and soon you will be able to process them as well with Email Workers. Cloudflare also doesn't charge you for egress either.
I agree.
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#13I am waiting for the time where we can host WordPress freely with static hosting and workers for admin ui/dynamic content. Otherwise static websites are only for devs.
Yeah, I have a few WordPress sites that would be great to move to SQLite (durable objects) / workers+functions.
My sense is it's still a ways out from being practical, though.
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#14a bit off-topic, but couldn't resist:
> As a shortcut, I used GPT-3 to generate a basic typescript function for me. This let me look at TS type definitions and get a better idea of what’s available so I could get developing.
As a long time programmer, I keep trying to maintain my skepticism of AI/ML techniques for program authoring. Comments like this are dissolving my objections by the minute...
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#15I am waiting for the time where we can host WordPress freely with static hosting and workers for admin ui/dynamic content. Otherwise static websites are only for devs.
This.
I keep seeing these 'JAMstack' sites are the new hot thing when a static wordpress site is enough and easier to update than 'JAMstack' sites, in reality these sites are just glorified HTML under a CDN.
I don't see the benefit of JAMstack when you can just place a static WP site under a CDN like Cloudflare and have all the benefits of WP and a CMS to edit content.
At least with Cloudflare they are more than just a CDN, others like Netlify and Vercel seem to be both over engineered and overpriced for what they do.
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#16Why not just make it CGI (or FastCGI) compatible so you can test it locally or run it in other environments? At least for things that are actually generating responses rather than acting as middleware. Oh, right, vendor lock-in.
You can run workerd locally.
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#17Why not just make it CGI (or FastCGI) compatible so you can test it locally or run it in other environments? At least for things that are actually generating responses rather than acting as middleware. Oh, right, vendor lock-in.
You can pretty easily change from Cloudflare to any other Jamstack host.
Cgi just isn't necessary anymore and would be more baggage than anything at this point.
The old web stacks are just time sinks. It's so much nicer to be able to git push... And that's it. Done.
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#18I feel like there's a large class of tools in this space now (Vercel, Netlify) that do all of this and more, and this post is less about Cloudflare Pages and more about the (really good) state of static hosting these days? One thing that stuck out was the comment about "Twitter cards", since Vercel/Next now has this built in: https://twitter.com/vercel/status/1579561293069316096
I’m happily using CloudFlare pages. The reason I haven’t tried Netlify is that after the free tier everything seems a little overpriced. I didn’t go for Vercel because I don’t want to use Next.js and I’m afraid I’ll run across some limitation because of this. I was already using Cloudflare as a CDN for S3 and GitHub pages, and their offerings seem to be growing quickly and wanting to compete with Amazon rather than t…
Vercel is pretty good as a generic static hosting. I run a handful of next.js, solid.js or vanilla html websites.
Can't think of anything next.js specific you miss out on, you can just configure anything in a vercel.json file.
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#19Earlier quoted context omitted.
I’m happily using CloudFlare pages. The reason I haven’t tried Netlify is that after the free tier everything seems a little overpriced. I didn’t go for Vercel because I don’t want to use Next.js and I’m afraid I’ll run across some limitation because of this. I was already using Cloudflare as a CDN for S3 and GitHub pages, and their offerings seem to be growing quickly and wanting to compete with Amazon rather than t…
Vercel is pretty good as a generic static hosting. I run a handful of next.js, solid.js or vanilla html websites. Can't think of anything next.js specific you miss out on, you can just configure anything in a vercel.json file.
All of the Vercel platform features you can use in Next.js (or other frameworks) are also available through the Build Output API for frameworks to target. This is what frameworks like SvelteKit, Nuxt, Solid, etc use on Vercel.
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#20Why not just make it CGI (or FastCGI) compatible so you can test it locally or run it in other environments? At least for things that are actually generating responses rather than acting as middleware. Oh, right, vendor lock-in.
Because V8's low-overhead tenant isolation is fundamental to how Cloudflare Workers works[1], and without it it would be a completely different product with worse performance. This means it can only support JavaScript and WebAssembly.
You can run it locally[2], and efforts are underway to standardize much of it so that the same code can run on Workers, Node.js, and Deno[3]. The Workers runtime is also open source[4], although in practice this is likely to be less useful for most use cases than just using one of the other JavaScript runtimes if you're self-hosting.
[1] https://developers.cloudflare.com/workers/learning/how-worke... [2] https://developers.cloudflare.com/pages/platform/functions#d... [3] https://wintercg.org/ [4] https://github.com/cloudflare/workerd