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Ask HN: Why don't I see gold at the end of the remote working rainbow?

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Re: Ask HN: Why don't I see gold at the end of the remote working rainbow?

#11
> As soon as a company's IT department is practically fully remote, why should they page a German wage for someone who is a face on a screen, when they can pay a fraction for that same face broadcasted from a few hundred kilometers further east or south? German is hardly used in business context here anyway and lower-wage countries within ±3 hours timezones abound.

Working from the office will not protect you from this. Quite the opoosite, having an office makes Germany much more expensive (and therefore more likely to be outsourced). Have you seen how crazy expensive real estate in large German cities are?

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> As soon as a company's IT department is practically fully remote, why should they page a German wage for someone who is a face on a screen, when they can pay a fraction for that same face broadcasted from a few hundred kilometers further east or south? German is hardly used in business context here anyway and lower-wage countries within ±3 hours timezones abound. This has already happened and has resulted in unific…

If that is the case, why are dev salaries in, for example, Dublin so much higher than Berlin (€115,000 vs €86,000 if Levels.fyi is to be believed)? Both are EU capitals with excellent, well-educated workforces.

Re: Ask HN: Why don't I see gold at the end of the remote working rainbow?

#14
Absolutely nothing wrong with that. Connection is one of our core emotional needs [1], and wanting to interact with other humans and feel like you belong is a very healthy desire.

At my company, I can work fully remote if I so desired, but I go to the office most days of the week precisely because I want to interact with other humans. Sitting alone in my room hacking at a keyboard isn't exactly emotionally fulfilling.

That said, I appreciate the flexibility. Today I didn't go because it was raining (and here I am browsing HN, haha), naturally, I feel lonely, because I have a need for that connection with others. I've had more than enough loneliness during college years.

[1] https://www.yourpsychologist.net.au/what-are-your-emotional-...

Re: Ask HN: Why don't I see gold at the end of the remote working rainbow?

#16
>From talking to friends, I feel this is a very controversial opinion to have and I don't really get why. Any help to make me understand would be greatly appreciated

Answering with only my perspectives:

Working from the office is a tilt in favor of the employer because they dictate the location. WFO is the historical norm, so until WFH is equally normalized, calls to WFO feel troubling. Given the two points, any employee support (perhaps rightly) can and has been used by employers to justify returns to office and limitations on WFH.

But ultimately, these conversations are good to have.

Re: Ask HN: Why don't I see gold at the end of the remote working rainbow?

#17
In my experience, I've developed closer chemistry and more socialization with my team while we've been fully remote, than when we were in person. There is a generation right behind you that is raised on socializing online, that may find it more rewarding than you're willing to.

Re: Ask HN: Why don't I see gold at the end of the remote working rainbow?

#19
Most people's living conditions are not right for remote work. Living in tiny apartmetns without a garden and neighbours to talk is suited to factory workers, not knowledge workers. Living situation becomes the most important thing with remote work

Re: Ask HN: Why don't I see gold at the end of the remote working rainbow?

#20
People are different. Some like remote more than office, some other way around.

Having said that, as someone who really enjoyed the startup scene + offices (in Tel Aviv) I now enjoy a lot more my work being remote. I feel I have enough social circles I need to maintain as of now, and I don't need more people to have deep connections with. I can now be effective at my work, while spending the extra time I have with the existing connections (family, close friends) instead of commuting, going to an office which binds me to new social circles which can be awesome, but it means less time for existing ones.

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