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Docker October 2022 Pricing Change FAQ

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Re: Docker October 2022 Pricing Change FAQ

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Post by ilovecaching »

Its unfortunate Docker came out of the VC space instead of being a hobby/research project with no intentions of making money. Solomon Hykes could have been the next Linus Torvalds and Docker could have been completely encompassed by a foundation, with the development being funded by a consortium of businesses each keeping each other in check as in the kernel.

As it stands Docker seems to have burnt a lot of open source good will, and now people are left choosing between a failed unicorn desperate to monetize or a Red Hat knockoff designed to get you into RHEL. Docker is such a huge ecosystem of tools rolled into one that it's bound to live on forever, but the magic is gone.

Re: Docker October 2022 Pricing Change FAQ

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Post by mrud »

lma21 wrote: post #8
skywhopper wrote: post #5

This is a ~15-30% increase. Truly wild. Meanwhile I can’t remember the last time one of the new features made my life easier.

If i may ask, why do you keep using Docker for Teams/Business? what stopped you from moving to any of the alternatives?

For us it is docker desktop. Developers use mostly Mac and getting everyone to switch to something else takes time for testing, documentation, roll out etc.

Re: Docker October 2022 Pricing Change FAQ

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Post by moondev »

KronisLV wrote: post #9
wdb wrote: post #7

Earlier quoted context omitted.

Podman is a nice alternative for Docker I think. Only Gitlab.com doens't support Podman yet with their public runners yet. Gitlab Runner itself appear to support it though

> Podman is a nice alternative for Docker I think. I'd say that it's good for some scenarios. It's not an entirely complete Docker alternative, there still being various inconsistencies, especially when there are projects like Docker Compose (which has Podman Compose under development) and even Docker Swarm (for which there is no direct alternative), or when something like Nomad support for Podman is still relatively…

Are you confusing podman with containerd perhaps?

Podman is designed to be a developer focused drop-in replacement for docker to use on one's workstation.

It's not possible to use it as a Kubernetes container runtime, there is no CRI for it to work. You can however run Kubernetes style "pods" locally from a pod manifest without a kube-apiserver which is pretty neat.

Re: Docker October 2022 Pricing Change FAQ

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Post by WhatsName »

chtitux wrote: post #2

With Pro accounts limited to 100 users, I believe this is a good opportunity to recall [0], that lists businesses that overprice SSO [0] https://sso.tax/

SSO as a requirement is a reliable way to differenciate small business/ hobbist from commercial usage of your product.

I really don't get at whom this SSO-tax hate is directed at?

Re: Docker October 2022 Pricing Change FAQ

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Post by xiwenc »

WhatsName wrote: post #15
chtitux wrote: post #2

With Pro accounts limited to 100 users, I believe this is a good opportunity to recall [0], that lists businesses that overprice SSO [0] https://sso.tax/

SSO as a requirement is a reliable way to differenciate small business/ hobbist from commercial usage of your product. I really don't get at whom this SSO-tax hate is directed at?

SSO is becoming a necessity for small businesses also. If you are involved in audits, you will understand how valuable it is.

Re: Docker October 2022 Pricing Change FAQ

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Post by nezirus »

KronisLV wrote: post #9
wdb wrote: post #7

Earlier quoted context omitted.

Podman is a nice alternative for Docker I think. Only Gitlab.com doens't support Podman yet with their public runners yet. Gitlab Runner itself appear to support it though

> Podman is a nice alternative for Docker I think. I'd say that it's good for some scenarios. It's not an entirely complete Docker alternative, there still being various inconsistencies, especially when there are projects like Docker Compose (which has Podman Compose under development) and even Docker Swarm (for which there is no direct alternative), or when something like Nomad support for Podman is still relatively…

You don't need podman-compose, docker-compose is perfectly viable with podman. They've even fixed some long standing bugs/problems lately, so docker-compose v2 can also be used with podman [1].

[1] https://podman.io/releases/2022/05/09/podman-release-v4.1.0....

Re: Docker October 2022 Pricing Change FAQ

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Post by lostlogin »

xiwenc wrote: post #16
WhatsName wrote: post #15

Earlier quoted context omitted.

SSO as a requirement is a reliable way to differenciate small business/ hobbist from commercial usage of your product. I really don't get at whom this SSO-tax hate is directed at?

SSO is becoming a necessity for small businesses also. If you are involved in audits, you will understand how valuable it is.

Unrelated to SSO, I’m involved in audits that regularly seek changes which don’t improve safety or security but which often help the bottom line of big providers.

If you want a product to succeed without natural growth, get an an auditor to require it.

It’s selling your soul and those being audited will hate you, but it’s very lucrative.

Re: Docker October 2022 Pricing Change FAQ

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Post by ivan_gammel »

WhatsName wrote: post #15
chtitux wrote: post #2

With Pro accounts limited to 100 users, I believe this is a good opportunity to recall [0], that lists businesses that overprice SSO [0] https://sso.tax/

SSO as a requirement is a reliable way to differenciate small business/ hobbist from commercial usage of your product. I really don't get at whom this SSO-tax hate is directed at?

SSO is not contributing to the core product USP and is pure money extraction mechanism. If company can add enough value on enterprise plan, they could easily drop SSO on less expensive tier. If company cannot add enough value to the core product, they use SSO and reachable customer support to justify more expensive subscription. This may deincentivize customers to buy more or reduce overall security if customer fails to implement processes for standalone login and manual provisioning of accounts.
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