Kanye West is buying Parler • Hacker News Board

Re: Kanye West is buying Parler

#11

Post by mrtksn » Mon, Oct 17, 2022, 10:28 AM UTC

Musk and everyone else is right that we do need a platform with free speech. The only problem is that all those free speech advocates are actually NIMBY's when it comes to free speech.

I have been following self proclaimed free speech absolutists(because I too, believe in free speech but don't believe it exists) and they are totally not the kind of people that say "I hate what you say but I will die defending your right to say it". In all places, these people are curating comments and posts to push agenda.

The only somewhat free place I've seen is 4Chan but it contains so much toxicity, that's its barely bearable.

Yet again, I like that Musk and Kanye kind of people claim that they want free speech because at least we can hold them responsible when they don't deliver it. This is in contrast with the pure fascist where they cannot be held responsible for anything because they don't claim virtue in first place. It's a bit like companies doing greenwashing, which can be exposed when they don't deliver on their claimed virtues versus companies who don't even claim such virtues and instead pretend that it doesn't matter. Those who claim virtue are better even if they ultimately fail.

Re: Kanye West is buying Parler

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Post by aetherane » Mon, Oct 17, 2022, 10:29 AM UTC

datavirtue wrote: post #5

Quoted post unavailable.

Many people can be high achieving and functional despite having mental health issues and pushback from people like you.

Kanye has made decisions his whole life. Maybe some were bad but he has made it through and succeeded to a high degree.

Re: Kanye West is buying Parler

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Post by n4r9 » Mon, Oct 17, 2022, 10:29 AM UTC

sali0 wrote: post #9

hunglee2 wrote: post #3

makes sense to own the means of communication, to shape the narrative. Ye on Parler will present a pretty clear challenge to US norms of freedom of speech - he is a vocal anti-semite (whilst at the same time claiming to be Jewish)and I doubt very much that ownership of any platform will moderate his views.

I know many won't like this, but I think he meant Defcon 3, which I'm still not sure what it implies. I highly doubt he meant to issue death threats the way that people are perceiving this. Not to excuse his actions. I'd rather like to know wtf he's talking about and why.he would say something like this.

He accused a rapper of being co trolled by Jewish people, and also that he'd go "deathcon3" on Jewish people.

https://www.bbc.co.uk/news/entertainment-arts-63198991

Re: Kanye West is buying Parler

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Post by dsr_ » Mon, Oct 17, 2022, 10:29 AM UTC

sali0 wrote: post #9

hunglee2 wrote: post #3

makes sense to own the means of communication, to shape the narrative. Ye on Parler will present a pretty clear challenge to US norms of freedom of speech - he is a vocal anti-semite (whilst at the same time claiming to be Jewish)and I doubt very much that ownership of any platform will moderate his views.

I know many won't like this, but I think he meant Defcon 3, which I'm still not sure what it implies. I highly doubt he meant to issue death threats the way that people are perceiving this. Not to excuse his actions. I'd rather like to know wtf he's talking about and why.he would say something like this.

https://www.adl.org/resources/blog/unpacking-kanye-wests-ant...

Re: Kanye West is buying Parler

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Post by jsemrau » Mon, Oct 17, 2022, 10:30 AM UTC

Given that Parler is primarily associated with alt-right users, this purchase is quite amusing. Yet it underlines how the right to speak freely is under threat online and I am not sure if Billionaires further centralizing access is the right way forward.

Re: Kanye West is buying Parler

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Post by sali0 » Mon, Oct 17, 2022, 10:31 AM UTC

Pandabob wrote: post #10

sali0 wrote: post #9

Earlier quoted context omitted.

I know many won't like this, but I think he meant Defcon 3, which I'm still not sure what it implies. I highly doubt he meant to issue death threats the way that people are perceiving this. Not to excuse his actions. I'd rather like to know wtf he's talking about and why.he would say something like this.

OP is referring to this: https://www.theverge.com/2022/10/9/23395490/twitter-lock-kan...

Yes apologies. Thought there was something else. Edited comment a bit.

Re: Kanye West is buying Parler

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Post by guerrilla » Mon, Oct 17, 2022, 10:31 AM UTC

mrtksn wrote: post #11

Musk and everyone else is right that we do need a platform with free speech. The only problem is that all those free speech advocates are actually NIMBY's when it comes to free speech. I have been following self proclaimed free speech absolutists(because I too, believe in free speech but don't believe it exists) and they are totally not the kind of people that say "I hate what you say but I will die defending your ri…

> at least we can hold them responsible when they don't deliver it. This is in contrast with the pure fascist where they cannot be held responsible for anything because they don't claim virtue in first place.

What's the plan to do that when they censor all dissent on the platforms they just bought?

Re: Kanye West is buying Parler

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Post by feralfoo » Mon, Oct 17, 2022, 10:31 AM UTC

tgv wrote: post #4

cebert wrote: post #2

Has anyone seen any stats on how many Parler active daily users there are? I’d assume it’s quite small.

And has Kanye already asked for statistics on the number of bots? I mean, it appears as if he's trying to do an Elon.

This looks more like pulling a 'Trump' with Truth Social, since they both got 'yeeted' from twitter and other platforms.

Re: Kanye West is buying Parler

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Post by impowski » Mon, Oct 17, 2022, 10:31 AM UTC

I mean you can say “men are trash”, “white people are trash” and so on, but at the same time you are not allowed to say anything against jewish people or other people? Isn’t it kinda hypocritical? Maybe we should not allow toxic behavior at all and have a civil discourse about someone is feeling towards some group of people to allow him to change his mind? Personal attacks and hatred will not do any good this will only prove to that person that he is right.

Re: Kanye West is buying Parler

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Post by sali0 » Mon, Oct 17, 2022, 10:32 AM UTC

dsr_ wrote: post #14

sali0 wrote: post #9

Earlier quoted context omitted.

I know many won't like this, but I think he meant Defcon 3, which I'm still not sure what it implies. I highly doubt he meant to issue death threats the way that people are perceiving this. Not to excuse his actions. I'd rather like to know wtf he's talking about and why.he would say something like this.

https://www.adl.org/resources/blog/unpacking-kanye-wests-ant...

Did not see this whole backstory. Ty for the link.