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Why wasn’t the steam engine invented earlier? Part III

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This reminds me of James Burke Connections. That show often showed how many different and surprising dependencies there are on the path to any given invention. My favorite example is how the internal combustion engine needed an invention from perfume bottles to spray a good mist of fuel/air-mixture into the cylinder. Might have taken longer to invent ICE if that wasn't already readily available. I really hope that so…

I thought the carberator did this?

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We needed calculus first and the formalization of mechanics, both published originally by Isaac Newton. Once mechanics and their calculus were formalized we had the tools to logically build mechanical things and share the abstract concepts with others in our networks which promoted faster iteration.

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I think the reason is best described by Factorio. Yes, with a lot of spaghetti belts and manual crafting, you can make late-stage products. But to do it well, in a way that transcends merely being able to make a handful of items, you need a huge underlying economy. You end up having to re-arrange your whole factory, or you need to clear new land, which means you need to spend some time on diversions like improved mil…

A nice explanation for the "rate of progress" is the percentage of the population that is not involved in the production of food.

Since the dawn of humanity up until "very recently" in the grand scheme of things, something like 95 to 98 percent of the population were directly involved in food production. There were the odd shamans, priests, tribal leaders, or what have you, but everyone else made themselves busy hunting, fishing, or farming.

The current ratio in developed countries is something like 1 to 2 percent of the population directly working in farming, and maybe 20 to 30 percent working in "food production". Think workers at the biscuit factory, or chefs in a restaurant.

Everyone else is free to do science, engineering, project management, finance, or whatever.

The difference between 2% of the population free to work on non-food activities and 70% is massive.

This is why so much progress has happened just in the last few centuries.

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The root was zero IP law. People who invented any new thing(say = a widget stamp) could use it to make widgets all day and sell them. If someone looked in a window and say how to made widget presses = he could also make them. If he open sourced it = showed his neighbours = all know the secret and market saturation ensues. That secret was his ' barrier to entry', anyone else had to do the old hard way. Romans were famous for this, rich men would kill inventors of new processes to maintain a monopoly. This led to intense secrecy. Look at Newton's famous secrecy, he was only convinced to publish late in life and, along with others, started the learned journal industry that employed the new printing tech to make many at a low cost. Once an inventor could reveal his secret to employees to make many items AS WELL AS have the original Royal Patent protected fabrication monopoly(later time limited monopolies emerged). Copyright/rant/Disney = another story...

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post #11
post #10

This reminds me of James Burke Connections. That show often showed how many different and surprising dependencies there are on the path to any given invention. My favorite example is how the internal combustion engine needed an invention from perfume bottles to spray a good mist of fuel/air-mixture into the cylinder. Might have taken longer to invent ICE if that wasn't already readily available. I really hope that so…

I thought the carberator did this?

Yes, but a key development in carburettor design was an 1880s patent by Maybach and Daimler, based on the principles of an atomiser as used for perfume.

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Often multiple inventors arrive at the same idea at almost the same time, for example Edison and Swan for the light bulb, Meucci and Bell (among others) for the telephone, Tesla and Marconi for radio, the Wrights and many others for the airplane etc. possibly because the technological and social level of society has reached a certain point in its development when the "time is ripe" for a given invention. As Charles F…

The Wright Brothers didn't come up with the idea of the airplane at all — people had been working on it for over 100 years.

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An important factor seems to be precision engineering. I saw the point made in The Perfectionists: How Precision Engineers Created the Modern World by Simon Winchester, where they argue that while all the science and experimentation was there, it wasn't until precision parts were widely available that steam engines really solved all their problems and became viable

https://www.goodreads.com/book/show/35068671-the-perfectioni...

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This reminds me of James Burke Connections. That show often showed how many different and surprising dependencies there are on the path to any given invention. My favorite example is how the internal combustion engine needed an invention from perfume bottles to spray a good mist of fuel/air-mixture into the cylinder. Might have taken longer to invent ICE if that wasn't already readily available. I really hope that so…

I thought the carberator did this?

Both perfume bottles and the carberator use Bernoulli's principle, which was published in 1738[1]. I'm not sure whether Bernoulli developed this for perfume bottles, but I doubt it.

[1] https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Bernoulli%27s_principle

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An important factor seems to be precision engineering. I saw the point made in The Perfectionists: How Precision Engineers Created the Modern World by Simon Winchester, where they argue that while all the science and experimentation was there, it wasn't until precision parts were widely available that steam engines really solved all their problems and became viable https://www.goodreads.com/book/show/35068671-the-per…

In particular, the standardization of units and measurements and the lathe. Lathes with accuracy were a tremendously important component of producing steam engines.
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