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Europe: How to Become Poor Peasants Again

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Re: Europe: How to Become Poor Peasants Again

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post #8

Is it me, or does he skirt over Europe not working increasing the supply of gas locally? I'm not saying they could replace Russia or the US, but they could almost certainly produce more (whether via fracking or whatever).

They could also import from North Africa - Spain does it, Germany wants a pipeline, but France is inbetween these two and blocks such initiatives to try to keep a future for their failing nuclear industry (even if 50% of it is offline), under various fake pretenses.

It looks like a catastrophe in the making, and public opinion about say fracking or support for war sanctions might change when say grandmas start making the news for freezing to death due to prices/blackouts etc.

Re: Europe: How to Become Poor Peasants Again

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post #4
post #2

One of the constant refrains in the Anglo-Saxon world is to describe Europe and the EU as permanently on the verge of collapse. It has not occurred so far, and it will not occur this time either.

Well, with inflation, war, various shortages, lack of power for the winter, I'm very trustful in human nature, but that may be a little too much for Europe.

They could always make a new deal with the Russians if they will face imminent famine and the collapse of industry (which I don't believe they are). All in all sounds like hyperbole to me. A harsh recession is very likely though. Seriously what is the theory here, they care about Ukraine so much they are willing to implode for it with no plan b? I find it hard to believe.

Re: Europe: How to Become Poor Peasants Again

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post #9

Good Article. No question the events in Ukraine coincide with Nord Streak 2 about to go online. The amount of war time propaganda on the Ukraine conflict has hit overdrive status and I would expect this article to “disappear” quickly. There is little room to discuss the larger geopolitic situation. Instead a simplified narrative of “Putin is an evil dictator invading a peaceful democracy and must be stopped at all co…

What would happen if you tried discussing something outside of the allowed narrative?

Re: Europe: How to Become Poor Peasants Again

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post #2

One of the constant refrains in the Anglo-Saxon world is to describe Europe and the EU as permanently on the verge of collapse. It has not occurred so far, and it will not occur this time either.

Europe collapsed twice during the 20th century and several times before that. It will probably happen again but the exact timing is impossible to accurately predict.

Re: Europe: How to Become Poor Peasants Again

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post #8

Is it me, or does he skirt over Europe not working increasing the supply of gas locally? I'm not saying they could replace Russia or the US, but they could almost certainly produce more (whether via fracking or whatever).

Most of Europe doesn't have the natural resources to do that.

Re: Europe: How to Become Poor Peasants Again

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post #7
post #2

One of the constant refrains in the Anglo-Saxon world is to describe Europe and the EU as permanently on the verge of collapse. It has not occurred so far, and it will not occur this time either.

Right!!?? You didn't die yesterday, so you won't die today. In reality, countries collapse in all kinds of different ways quite regularly.

It is like Express.co.uk: EU on the brink!!!!!

Re: Europe: How to Become Poor Peasants Again

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post #11

This is stupidity. Renewable energy will win in the end.

Also I don't believe for a minute that natural gas production in the US supplying Europe was the driver for this war. If it was, wouldn't have the push from Russia been towards securing the path of their pipelines instead of the Crimean peninsula?

Re: Europe: How to Become Poor Peasants Again

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This is Russian/Tankie propoganda. Notice how the author subtly implies that America was the instigator in cutting Russian supplies to EU. Ignoring the fact that it was Putin who invaded Ukraine and Crimea, and started this whole sequence of events. It was Putin who decided to cut gas supplies, long before the pipeline was sabotaged.

This is motivated article which speaks half-truths with the goal of casting events in a particular light to advantage Russian interests. I would dig further into the author's motivations.

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