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Re: Operation Gladio

#11

Little domino tile: following the end of WWII, the US installs terrorist cells in Europe in fear of a communist takeover Big domino tile: Silvio Berlusconi becomes prime minister of Italy in 1994

Silvio is also tied to the P2 lodge, right?

Sure is. He was also sentenced for a ludicrous amount of tax evasion while in office and he is still in politics

Re: Operation Gladio

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post #3

If you are wondering how it got so far off the rails, then look no further than the fact that they hired, trained, and equipped former Nazi SS officers. Not Wehrmacht grunts. Nor enlisted SS grunts. But SS officers. Less than three years after the Nuremberg trials. The trials where a sitting Supreme Court justice took time off to act as Chief Prosecutor on behalf of the US to condemn their bosses to death. They did i…

That's nothing, wait until you find out that the Japanese LDP was founded by class A nazi war criminals that the US released from prison :)

If you think it's shocking that the US works with fascists, it can only because you know nothing at all about US foreign policy and how it works.

The idea that it's "off the rails" rather than something that repeats so ofte it's not even interesting is _buck wild_ :)

Re: Operation Gladio

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post #4

Ah yes. Bringing democracy democracy, but also arming terrorists just in case people vote incorrectly. How not to be grateful for this?

Oh yes, when the CIA was formed to interfere in Italian elections, "democracy" was definitely on the mind of US foreign policy officials :)

Re: Operation Gladio

#14

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=daowxbaeurw Oktoberfest Bombing München 1980, Operation Gladio from time to time in german media: the police stopped investigating Neonazi involvement.

Not sure if Daniele Ganser the best source for this…

me neither,

I read this mostly in Sueddeutsche Zeitung

Re: Operation Gladio

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post #3

If you are wondering how it got so far off the rails, then look no further than the fact that they hired, trained, and equipped former Nazi SS officers. Not Wehrmacht grunts. Nor enlisted SS grunts. But SS officers. Less than three years after the Nuremberg trials. The trials where a sitting Supreme Court justice took time off to act as Chief Prosecutor on behalf of the US to condemn their bosses to death. They did i…

>The CIA has an uncanny talent for arming and training future and former enemies of the US and most of the world.

The CIA? More like the USA…

They saved the Soviets from collapse via Lend-Lease. They made communist China a global superpower with decades of outsourced manufacturing.

Re: Operation Gladio

#18
For “in case of soviet invasion break glass” cases you would’ve wanted a contingency like this, could just do without literal nazis, war criminals (plenty of opportunities for that once the soviets invaded, I imagine) and terrorists.

Oh and maybe manage to keep it secret from the enemy, Germany. JFC sometimes I wonder if there is anything German security services don’t fuck up, the distrust from NATO allies is and was certainly well earned.

Re: Operation Gladio

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post #3

If you are wondering how it got so far off the rails, then look no further than the fact that they hired, trained, and equipped former Nazi SS officers. Not Wehrmacht grunts. Nor enlisted SS grunts. But SS officers. Less than three years after the Nuremberg trials. The trials where a sitting Supreme Court justice took time off to act as Chief Prosecutor on behalf of the US to condemn their bosses to death. They did i…

That's nothing, wait until you find out that the Japanese LDP was founded by class A nazi war criminals that the US released from prison :) If you think it's shocking that the US works with fascists, it can only because you know nothing at all about US foreign policy and how it works. The idea that it's "off the rails" rather than something that repeats so ofte it's not even interesting is _buck wild_ :)

I try to look towards the better angels of everyone’s nature. Being jaded and cynical rarely solves problems.

Re: Operation Gladio

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Earlier quoted context omitted.

That's nothing, wait until you find out that the Japanese LDP was founded by class A nazi war criminals that the US released from prison :) If you think it's shocking that the US works with fascists, it can only because you know nothing at all about US foreign policy and how it works. The idea that it's "off the rails" rather than something that repeats so ofte it's not even interesting is _buck wild_ :)

I try to look towards the better angels of everyone’s nature. Being jaded and cynical rarely solves problems.

"The CIA can't seem to stop itself from training and supporting fascist movements" is actually a useful pattern to notice if the problem you're trying to solve is "where do these fascist movements keep coming from??"

Considering that cynical is a judgment that I don't think is very useful here. It also assumes there is some valid, correct, non-cynical view of the CIA that assumes they don't do this. Which is fantastical, at least as useless a way to approach the world as cynicism.

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