It's probably suppressed.
The common man is being sent to die for elite goals.
In Germany, people are rebelling against the usa. They believe Joe Biden had nordstream destroyed
Why aren't Russians protesting (more)?
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Re: Why aren't Russians protesting (more)?
#12Why aren't the westerners protesting more? Seriously, where are my peace and love protests? In many countries people don't care much anymore, they 've resigned that they can't change things, this is a high level long strategic game in which their opinion doesn't matter. We 've willy-nilly removed each other's mass media from the view, despite our hyperconnectedness. This is what you get after decades of the west emul…
I think most westerners feel that peace-and-love aren't an option here. Even most pacifists believe that a country has the right to defend itself, and nearly everybody outside the Russian sphere of influence sees this as Ukrainian self-defense.
There might be protests if Westerners were putting their lives on the line here, but they aren't. I'm told there are some protests in Germany about the very real hardship of losing Russian gas, but I think they see Russian aggression at fault and most would rather work around it.
Which is to say: most westerners see their governments doing more or less the right thing, and aren't protesting. They see it as highly unlikely that they've been so misled about the situation in Ukraine as to think that it should surrender to Russia.
Pacifists have always had to contend with rhetoric about "just wars", and this is one of the clearest examples they've seen in decades. They've certainly protested against many unjust Western wars -- usually not terribly effectively, but they did come out. And I think they would if they felt it was relevant now.
No amount of exposure to Russia's mass media is likely to change their minds about that. Such as today, with Russian media announcing a 99+% result in a "referendum". They can't even begin to imagine that this will inspire protests from Western pacifists.
Re: Why aren't Russians protesting (more)?
#13Why aren't the westerners protesting more? Seriously, where are my peace and love protests? In many countries people don't care much anymore, they 've resigned that they can't change things, this is a high level long strategic game in which their opinion doesn't matter. We 've willy-nilly removed each other's mass media from the view, despite our hyperconnectedness. This is what you get after decades of the west emul…
I think most westerners feel that peace-and-love aren't an option here. Even most pacifists believe that a country has the right to defend itself, and nearly everybody outside the Russian sphere of influence sees this as Ukrainian self-defense. There might be protests if Westerners were putting their lives on the line here, but they aren't. I'm told there are some protests in Germany about the very real hardship of l…
That was maybe true in the first months of the war. Western audiences have not been asked about the actions taken by heads of state and NATO for months. I dont think anyone believes that ukraine is going to retake its full territory, nor that they should. There will be growing skepticism during the winter
Re: Why aren't Russians protesting (more)?
#14It just looks that Russians themselves don't want to die in the war but otherwise supported it. I was reading vk.com and generally there was 1 post or comment against the war in Ukraine for every 10 or 20 posts pro-war. Now the ratio is 1 post against the draft versus 1 post pro-draft. You see the change? Russians mostly supported the war and those few people who were ready to protest against the war were simply over…
I like how you quickly switched subjects to vaccines ....
Russia didnt have anti vax protest because they didnt have mandates. They didnt have mandates because their own vaccine was kind of shit and ineffective just like Chinese one.
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#15Earlier quoted context omitted.
I'm not certain social media is ever a good sample space for this sort of thing. We're all too aware that certain platforms lean certain directions and I believe VK is essentially owned and operated by the government, having been taken from it's original owner, Pavel Durov. Posting anti-war, and therefore anti-government / anti-state sentiment on a platform essentially monitored and run by an authoritarian regime see…
I used to live in Russia for a few years and still have many friends and acquaintances there. It totally terrified me that many of them supported the war openly. In fact, my stay in Russia was related to religious organization, Hare Krishna which is quite popular in Russia now, and usually these people are quite apolitical, try to avoid taking strong stance in such matters which could damage their legal status as Rus…
A lot of Russians see Putin as their savior, he reincarnated Tsardom and aggrandizes their spiritual superiority to other nations. Many, including Pravitel himself still wants to see Russian Empire reinstated in its former glory.
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#16Earlier quoted context omitted.
I think most westerners feel that peace-and-love aren't an option here. Even most pacifists believe that a country has the right to defend itself, and nearly everybody outside the Russian sphere of influence sees this as Ukrainian self-defense. There might be protests if Westerners were putting their lives on the line here, but they aren't. I'm told there are some protests in Germany about the very real hardship of l…
That was maybe true in the first months of the war. Western audiences have not been asked about the actions taken by heads of state and NATO for months. I dont think anyone believes that ukraine is going to retake its full territory, nor that they should. There will be growing skepticism during the winter
> I dont think anyone believes that ukraine is going to retake its full territory, nor that they should. There will be growing skepticism during the winter
Im actually more confident that Ukraine will have a decisive victory then I was a month or so ago.
Russia has entered the desperation stage of the war by mobilising 300k barely trained conscripts and throwing them straight to the front lines (some are already POWs).
This has shown me that Russias losses are significant and that they cannot sustain there professional army, which is the first sign things are going to go very south very quickly.
Re: Why aren't Russians protesting (more)?
#17It just looks that Russians themselves don't want to die in the war but otherwise supported it. I was reading vk.com and generally there was 1 post or comment against the war in Ukraine for every 10 or 20 posts pro-war. Now the ratio is 1 post against the draft versus 1 post pro-draft. You see the change? Russians mostly supported the war and those few people who were ready to protest against the war were simply over…
I like how you quickly switched subjects to vaccines .... Russia didnt have anti vax protest because they didnt have mandates. They didnt have mandates because their own vaccine was kind of shit and ineffective just like Chinese one.
Any data how much worse Russian and Chinese vaccine was?
Because if you look at this objectively all covid vaccines are shit. Vaccines that didn't stop infection after 3-4 months are shit. The effectiveness against severe disease and death was still maybe 80-90% which is so-so but still doesn't deserve mandates.
And while Russia didn't have vaccine mandates, China appears to have very strong restrictions. Their problem is that many elderly are not getting vaccines despite mandates. The strength of mandates does not seem correlated with vaccine effectiveness at all. Many East European countries also had poor vaccine uptake among elderly despite using mRNA vaccines and having vaccine mandates.