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Explosive Laden Drone Found Near Nord Stream Pipeline (2015)

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Post by fghorow »

kragen wrote: post #6
bagels wrote: post #4

"Ruling out sabotage" How is that just dropped in there without any explanation of an innocuous purpose of an explosive laden drone?

Explosives are widely used in mining, but I don't know if anybody uses them for undersea mining. Drones seem like they would be a good way to do undersea mining: greatly reduce the death toll, avoid all the decompression sickness, and maybe use less energy?

"Undersea mining" is mostly scooping up mineralized stuff ("Manganese Nodules") using a dredge-like apparatus. To my knowledge, nobody uses explosives for that style of mining, and undersea mining is relatively rare anyway. (I used to work at the research end of the Australian mining industry.)

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Post by dosman33 »

fghorow wrote: post #11
kragen wrote: post #6

Earlier quoted context omitted.

Explosives are widely used in mining, but I don't know if anybody uses them for undersea mining. Drones seem like they would be a good way to do undersea mining: greatly reduce the death toll, avoid all the decompression sickness, and maybe use less energy?

"Undersea mining" is mostly scooping up mineralized stuff ("Manganese Nodules") using a dredge-like apparatus. To my knowledge, nobody uses explosives for that style of mining, and undersea mining is relatively rare anyway. (I used to work at the research end of the Australian mining industry.)

I was under the strong impression that sea floor mining was mostly invented as cover by the CIA to operate the Glomar Explorer for the purpose of retrieving a crashed Soviet submarine with nuclear warheads on board. https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Glomar_Explorer

The US petitioned the UN to open up international sea floor mining rights as part of the lead up for this project. They made up a fake educational film for high schoolers about Glomar as well: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=qXUqUpfzgxQ

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Post by kragen »

dosman33 wrote: post #13
fghorow wrote: post #11

Earlier quoted context omitted.

"Undersea mining" is mostly scooping up mineralized stuff ("Manganese Nodules") using a dredge-like apparatus. To my knowledge, nobody uses explosives for that style of mining, and undersea mining is relatively rare anyway. (I used to work at the research end of the Australian mining industry.)

I was under the strong impression that sea floor mining was mostly invented as cover by the CIA to operate the Glomar Explorer for the purpose of retrieving a crashed Soviet submarine with nuclear warheads on board. https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Glomar_Explorer The US petitioned the UN to open up international sea floor mining rights as part of the lead up for this project. They made up a fake educational film for hi…

I think manganese nodules really are a potentially lucrative source of metals; the CIA didn't want to use a cover story that was transparently ridiculous, and there were many excellent Soviet geologists and mining bureaus.

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Post by innagadadavida »

drekipus wrote: post #10
bagels wrote: post #4

"Ruling out sabotage" How is that just dropped in there without any explanation of an innocuous purpose of an explosive laden drone?

News and reports are always making sure to frame it in certain ways. They can't say "perhaps sabotage" because then fingers will start pointing and everything gets on edge. News is full of "it's just a coincidence, look away" -- speculating is fun, but don't be a conspiracy theorist. Always listen to approved, fact-checked news sources. They'll tell you what to think. And in this case you need to look at this as anyt…

Sometimes you need to hear the other party’s newsfeed. Tucker Carlson breaks it down: https://twitter.com/columbiabugle/status/1574921923624058887... Excerpt 6min: “One way or another Nordstream 2 will not proceed”

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Post by cowpig »

innagadadavida wrote: post #16
drekipus wrote: post #10

Earlier quoted context omitted.

News and reports are always making sure to frame it in certain ways. They can't say "perhaps sabotage" because then fingers will start pointing and everything gets on edge. News is full of "it's just a coincidence, look away" -- speculating is fun, but don't be a conspiracy theorist. Always listen to approved, fact-checked news sources. They'll tell you what to think. And in this case you need to look at this as anyt…

Sometimes you need to hear the other party’s newsfeed. Tucker Carlson breaks it down: https://twitter.com/columbiabugle/status/1574921923624058887... Excerpt 6min: “One way or another Nordstream 2 will not proceed”

Trying to add more different kinds of propaganda to your "feed" in attempt to find truth is like adding an additional incompetent PM to a project that's behind schedule in hopes that it will help move things along.

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Post by cowpig »

drekipus wrote: post #10
bagels wrote: post #4

"Ruling out sabotage" How is that just dropped in there without any explanation of an innocuous purpose of an explosive laden drone?

News and reports are always making sure to frame it in certain ways. They can't say "perhaps sabotage" because then fingers will start pointing and everything gets on edge. News is full of "it's just a coincidence, look away" -- speculating is fun, but don't be a conspiracy theorist. Always listen to approved, fact-checked news sources. They'll tell you what to think. And in this case you need to look at this as anyt…

"News and reports are always"

Re: Explosive Laden Drone Found Near Nord Stream Pipeline (2015)

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Post by dralley »

innagadadavida wrote: post #16
drekipus wrote: post #10

Earlier quoted context omitted.

News and reports are always making sure to frame it in certain ways. They can't say "perhaps sabotage" because then fingers will start pointing and everything gets on edge. News is full of "it's just a coincidence, look away" -- speculating is fun, but don't be a conspiracy theorist. Always listen to approved, fact-checked news sources. They'll tell you what to think. And in this case you need to look at this as anyt…

Sometimes you need to hear the other party’s newsfeed. Tucker Carlson breaks it down: https://twitter.com/columbiabugle/status/1574921923624058887... Excerpt 6min: “One way or another Nordstream 2 will not proceed”

Even the flipping Germans were saying NordStream 2 is dead. This was Scholz in August: “we ended the approval process for good reason.”

Tucker is pretending this is a smoking gun when the reality is, the US and Germany had a political agreement wherein the US agreed to lift sanctions on NordStream 2 in 2021 so long as Germany agreed that further Russian aggression would prompt re-evaluation. This was reported months and months ago.

https://www.washingtonpost.com/politics/2022/03/01/biden-eur...

"Before Scholz, the German chancellor, visited Biden at the White House on Feb. 7, for instance, the two leaders had come to a general agreement that Nord Stream 2 would be taken off the table should Russia invade Ukraine, the administration officials said.

At the time, in a joint news conference after their meeting, Biden was unequivocal about what would happen to the pipeline if Russia invaded Ukraine. “There will be no longer a Nord Stream 2,” Biden said. “We will bring an end to it.”

But Scholz, while generally acknowledging that Germany was prepared to “act together jointly” with the United States and other allies, pointedly did not mention the pipeline by name, raising questions about Germany’s commitment.

Administration officials added that while they had no doubt about Germany’s commitment, they conveyed to Germany that, if and when the time came, Germany could announce the halting of Nord Stream 2 — the ideal outcome for everyone, the Biden administration argued — or the United States could impose sanctions effectively ending it.

Ultimately, however, when the time came, Germany did not waver. After a three-way phone call between Biden, Scholz and Macron to discuss a joint response to Putin’s initial aggression, Germany surprised the group by swiftly announcing it was halting the certification of Nord Stream 2.

No arm-twisting was required, said one French official familiar with the dynamic. And shortly thereafter, the Biden administration announced its own Nord Stream 2 sanctions."

There is no mystery about what Biden was talking about at the time.

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Post by lukeschlather »

bagels wrote: post #4

"Ruling out sabotage" How is that just dropped in there without any explanation of an innocuous purpose of an explosive laden drone?

There are a lot of unexploded mines and other ordnance around in the Baltic, I think it's actually very common to use these sorts of drones for minesweeping.
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