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The Unmagicking of Disney

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Re: The Unmagicking of Disney

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Post by pferdone »

robg wrote: post #6
robg wrote: post #3

A lot of good points in here on degrading art for photorealism in the remakes. But we’ve really been loving the originals that keep coming and changing the formula from princesses and villains to families and growth. From Soul to Encanto to Coco, Onward, Turning Red, and Luca, just high quality, good wholesome stories that we can watch as a family and talk about afterwards.

And yes, I recognize that most of those are Pixar, but Encanto from Walt Disney Animation is extraordinary in every way. Yet the worldwide box office was less than the Dumbo remake. I respect Disney bc they make money and art, even when art is less commercial than what the masses want. The author is dismissing the art that remains.

Wasn‘t Encanto straight to Disney+?

Re: The Unmagicking of Disney

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Post by robg »

the_lonely_road wrote: post #10
robg wrote: post #6

Earlier quoted context omitted.

And yes, I recognize that most of those are Pixar, but Encanto from Walt Disney Animation is extraordinary in every way. Yet the worldwide box office was less than the Dumbo remake. I respect Disney bc they make money and art, even when art is less commercial than what the masses want. The author is dismissing the art that remains.

2019 box office versus 2021 will never be comparable. COVID has to be factored into almost everything when doing time series analysis but movies more so than most as it was devastated by the one two punch of not wanting to go to theaters and streaming existing now.

Sure, but would Encanto have surpassed more of the remakes? I’m not sure. No recognizable IP, no big explosions, trailers didn’t exactly lend themselves to an event movie. Not exactly characters for the theme parks either.

Re: The Unmagicking of Disney

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Post by chomp »

pferdone wrote: post #11
robg wrote: post #6

Earlier quoted context omitted.

And yes, I recognize that most of those are Pixar, but Encanto from Walt Disney Animation is extraordinary in every way. Yet the worldwide box office was less than the Dumbo remake. I respect Disney bc they make money and art, even when art is less commercial than what the masses want. The author is dismissing the art that remains.

Wasn‘t Encanto straight to Disney+?

Not straight, but it had a limited run in theaters (1 month)

Re: The Unmagicking of Disney

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Post by [deleted] »

pferdone wrote: post #11
robg wrote: post #6

Earlier quoted context omitted.

And yes, I recognize that most of those are Pixar, but Encanto from Walt Disney Animation is extraordinary in every way. Yet the worldwide box office was less than the Dumbo remake. I respect Disney bc they make money and art, even when art is less commercial than what the masses want. The author is dismissing the art that remains.

Wasn‘t Encanto straight to Disney+?

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Re: The Unmagicking of Disney

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Post by [deleted] »

pferdone wrote: post #11
robg wrote: post #6

Earlier quoted context omitted.

And yes, I recognize that most of those are Pixar, but Encanto from Walt Disney Animation is extraordinary in every way. Yet the worldwide box office was less than the Dumbo remake. I respect Disney bc they make money and art, even when art is less commercial than what the masses want. The author is dismissing the art that remains.

Wasn‘t Encanto straight to Disney+?

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Re: The Unmagicking of Disney

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Post by vlunkr »

pferdone wrote: post #11
robg wrote: post #6

Earlier quoted context omitted.

And yes, I recognize that most of those are Pixar, but Encanto from Walt Disney Animation is extraordinary in every way. Yet the worldwide box office was less than the Dumbo remake. I respect Disney bc they make money and art, even when art is less commercial than what the masses want. The author is dismissing the art that remains.

Wasn‘t Encanto straight to Disney+?

No, But the theatrical run was short because of the pandemic.

Re: The Unmagicking of Disney

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Post by robg »

robg wrote: post #12
the_lonely_road wrote: post #10

Earlier quoted context omitted.

2019 box office versus 2021 will never be comparable. COVID has to be factored into almost everything when doing time series analysis but movies more so than most as it was devastated by the one two punch of not wanting to go to theaters and streaming existing now.

Sure, but would Encanto have surpassed more of the remakes? I’m not sure. No recognizable IP, no big explosions, trailers didn’t exactly lend themselves to an event movie. Not exactly characters for the theme parks either.

To the point, the photorealistic Lion King doubled the box office of Coco ($1.6B vs $800M). No comparison on what’s better art. Respect that the same company does both.

Re: The Unmagicking of Disney

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Post by vlunkr »

civilized wrote: post #8

As a millennial who grew up watching the great Disney movies of the 90s, I just pretend the remakes don't exist. Disney (classic Disney-Princess-Disney, excluding Pixar, Marvel, and all the "properties" they've acquired over the years) has made a great movie once every 3-8 years for the past few decades. In between, they've always made utter garbage to squeeze every dollar out of the great ones. Almost every Disney s…

> I just pretend the remakes don't exist.

This great advice whenever a piece of media is making you angry. We’re probably justified in being angry at these soulless assembly line remakes, but spending your time and energy complaining does no one any good.

Re: The Unmagicking of Disney

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Post by csande17 »

klyrs wrote: post #4
taneq wrote: post #2

Wow, this certainly has a… distinctive… turn of phrase. And I think makes several fair points. I’m low-key disappointed they said “Ant-Mans” and not “Ants-Man”, though. ;)

> If you can’t enjoy Beauty and the Beast because the logic of the enchantress’s spell is inconsistent, I beseech you, go watch a documentary about printing user manuals or some shit. Hooked

> go watch a documentary about printing user manuals

I sure hope this is a reference to a specific movie. I'd love to watch it.

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