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Address by the President of the Russian Federation

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Re: Address by the President of the Russian Federation

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Post by anonupennprof »

This may very well be the eve of WW3. The latest Ukrainian victories were due to NATO forces taking over so many core operations, it's basically Russia vs NATO.

This formal declaration by Russia is basically saying they are about to stop holding back. They have purposefully avoid destroying infrastructure like water and power in ukraine for an unusually long time. They also have been sending their b-c teams not their A-list because they wanted to save them.

This action pleases a great deal of the america military complex because money. At least it would have if American troops were in better shape, enlistments were dropping heavily, and troop fitness is dropping radically. The desire for the common man to die for his country has dropped significantly in Russia AND NATO countries.

So you will soon see the following, America will try to rebuild "patriotism" prior to instituting a draft. This is why the pentagon is reviewing all psyops, they are about to reverse the social engineering psyops in motion such diversity and "woke". Russia will push religion to build morale on their side.

I believe a draft in America will lead to disintegration, but only time will tell.

Re: Address by the President of the Russian Federation

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Post by pdabbadabba »

proxyon wrote: post #7
Mikeb85 wrote: post #5

All the doublespeak is actually pretty amazing to witness... We're defending Russia but also "liberated" Kherson and Zaporizhzhia... The west is threatening us with nuclear weapons... The regime which came into power in 2014 (nevermind that Poroshenko and that whole group were voted out in a democratic election where Zelenskiy and his party, who were notably more friendly to Russia at first, came to power)...

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Based on what you've given us, this just reads like a conclusory assertion likely rooted in pro-Russian conspiracy theory. If you have any real facts to share, I'll consider revising that assessment.

Re: Address by the President of the Russian Federation

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Post by ThalesX »

Interesting read for anyone that might be interested:

2021 Country Reports on Human Rights Practices: Ukraine

BUREAU OF DEMOCRACY, HUMAN RIGHTS, AND LABOR

https://www.state.gov/reports/2021-country-reports-on-human-...

https://www.state.gov/wp-content/uploads/2022/04/313615_UKRA...

(I love how the downvotes have already begun not even a minute in... how is this not context to the speech? Zealots...)

Re: Address by the President of the Russian Federation

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Post by justbored123 »

nostrademons wrote: post #2

So deciphering the double-speak: Russia is instituting a draft, they consider Crimea part of Russia's territorial integrity, efforts to dehumanize the opposition or paint it as a shadowy international conspiracy continue, and they're threatening nuclear war. Get ready for WW3.

> Get ready for WW3.

Against who? Russia can't even fight Ukraine. China es calling for peace. This is a minor regional conflict. I feel sorry for the people of Ukraine and Russia that are going to suffer and die pointlessly for the delusional imperial ambitions of an old man that lives 75 years in the pass.

Putin is the new Mussolini, getting his ass handed to him while trying to invade Greece and for exactly the same reasons; mainly a low moral, low quality army that doesn't want to fight that war.

Re: Address by the President of the Russian Federation

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Post by namelessoracle »

topspin wrote: post #8

Putin has no choice. He's had no choice since he started all of this in 2014; he can't back down because that outcome isn't survivable for a Russian leader. It's going to take 100,000+ dead Russians. At some point the military and civilian leadership in Russia will realize that Putin has to go, and that is when all this will end. There is a lot of death and destruction yet to go. Ukraine will struggle with hundreds o…

People said much the same about Syria, and yet Assad is still there.

Ukraine would be foolish to trust the North America or Europe to support them forever, especially if even more major economic issues happen in either continent.

That seems to be Putins play, he is hoping the West's internal issues sufficiently flare up. This winter will probably determine that. The only real diplomatic path is to convince China to sever with Russia, and thats not gonna happen. Its well understood China is looking at this as a dry run for what kind of responses to expect if Taiwan gets attacked. And China is the clear winner of the Ukraine conflict right now.

Re: Address by the President of the Russian Federation

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Post by Blackthorn »

ThalesX wrote: post #13

Interesting read for anyone that might be interested: 2021 Country Reports on Human Rights Practices: Ukraine BUREAU OF DEMOCRACY, HUMAN RIGHTS, AND LABOR https://www.state.gov/reports/2021-country-reports-on-human-... https://www.state.gov/wp-content/uploads/2022/04/313615_UKRA... (I love how the downvotes have already begun not even a minute in... how is this not context to the speech? Zealots...)

Hot damn, the whataboutisms are out in force on this article, and not even an hour in.

Re: Address by the President of the Russian Federation

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Post by riku_iki »

topspin wrote: post #8

Putin has no choice. He's had no choice since he started all of this in 2014; he can't back down because that outcome isn't survivable for a Russian leader. It's going to take 100,000+ dead Russians. At some point the military and civilian leadership in Russia will realize that Putin has to go, and that is when all this will end. There is a lot of death and destruction yet to go. Ukraine will struggle with hundreds o…

> But the outcome won't change; Ukraine will ultimately win because it's not a war of choice for Ukraine and Ukraine has the allies it needs to keep fighting.

how allies will help if Russia will use tactical nukes on Ukrainian forces?

Re: Address by the President of the Russian Federation

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Post by nayroclade »

Apparently, the size of the mobilisation will be 300k people, so this isn't going to be an overwhelmingly large force. The speculation I've seen is that this move is about 1) stopping the attrition of professional soldiers as their contracts expire and 2) providing manpower in logistics and controlling the occupied areas, so as to allow more rest and rotation of front-line soldiers.

Re: Address by the President of the Russian Federation

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Post by topspin »

riku_iki wrote: post #17
topspin wrote: post #8

Putin has no choice. He's had no choice since he started all of this in 2014; he can't back down because that outcome isn't survivable for a Russian leader. It's going to take 100,000+ dead Russians. At some point the military and civilian leadership in Russia will realize that Putin has to go, and that is when all this will end. There is a lot of death and destruction yet to go. Ukraine will struggle with hundreds o…

> But the outcome won't change; Ukraine will ultimately win because it's not a war of choice for Ukraine and Ukraine has the allies it needs to keep fighting. how allies will help if Russia will use tactical nukes on Ukrainian forces?

He could try to play that card if he wants. Since we're going full hypothetical here I suspect he'd be removed by Russian military command if he tried. If not then it's WW3 for real; there is no 'tactical' nuke scenario that doesn't lead to a wider war.

Re: Address by the President of the Russian Federation

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Post by mint2 »

riku_iki wrote: post #17
topspin wrote: post #8

Putin has no choice. He's had no choice since he started all of this in 2014; he can't back down because that outcome isn't survivable for a Russian leader. It's going to take 100,000+ dead Russians. At some point the military and civilian leadership in Russia will realize that Putin has to go, and that is when all this will end. There is a lot of death and destruction yet to go. Ukraine will struggle with hundreds o…

> But the outcome won't change; Ukraine will ultimately win because it's not a war of choice for Ukraine and Ukraine has the allies it needs to keep fighting. how allies will help if Russia will use tactical nukes on Ukrainian forces?

If Russia uses tactical nukes then god help us all. If one though we were living in interesting times at the moment, they will soon think these are boring times.

If a country invades a neighbor, claims it’s now part of their sovereign homeland while the neighbor is still actively defending, and then uses nukes based the justification their newly occupied “homeland” they just invaded is being invaded by its defenders then it means any country with nukes can use nukes to invade and grab neighboring territory

At the very least, everyone is going to get nukes

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