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Amazon’s $23M book about flies (2011)

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Re: Amazon’s $23M book about flies (2011)

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To anyone considering reading the article, there isn't much more substance than a guy stumbling upon a book that is listed on Amazon for an absurd price.

Did you miss the part where they reverse engineered the pricing algorithm? What exactly were you expecting here?

Re: Amazon’s $23M book about flies (2011)

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I think I stumbled across similar behaviour, but for a used book. I was looking for a particular computer science book, couldn't find it new, and then decided to buy a used one from Amazon, ordering from the store with the best rating. It didn't arrive, and after a while (a few weeks) I received a notice that the delivery service had lost the book. I was refunded the money, though. The tracking number I got for the book from the store never worked though, I checked multiple times during those weeks. So I guess the same thing was at play here: I was sold the book although the store didn't have it. After failing to acquire the book, they just cancelled my order by pretending the delivery failed.

This boring story has a happy ending: I contacted the author (a retired MIT professor) if he could share a PDF with me, and he generated one from his old roff sources. He also sent me a signed copy from a stack he got from his publisher back then (80's), paying over $60 porto (US -> UK). I was blown away by his kindness and generosity.

Re: Amazon’s $23M book about flies (2011)

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The author's hypothesis sounds reasonable, but it is most likely not arbitrage as @neilv mentioned it. It is money laundering.[0] [0] https://krebsonsecurity.com/2018/02/money-laundering-via-aut... (edit: spelligating correctivization)

I thought so at first too, but that doesn’t explain the steady price increases. Two algorithms competing against each other does.

Re: Amazon’s $23M book about flies (2011)

#15

The author's hypothesis sounds reasonable, but it is most likely not arbitrage as @neilv mentioned it. It is money laundering.[0] [0] https://krebsonsecurity.com/2018/02/money-laundering-via-aut... (edit: spelligating correctivization)

I thought so at first too, but that doesn’t explain the steady price increases. Two algorithms competing against each other does.

The article I referenced is old, so it is possible that Amzn (and the criminals) have evolved. It used to be randomly generated e-books, now it is a real book. Maybe Amzn checks to see if the uploaded material is legit, and rejects the old-style random text. By latching onto a real book, this becomes less of an issue.

As for the pricing, I am guessing it is just a side effect of the normal behavior. It would make sense for the criminal to not change from default settings when setting up the account, ergo include it in these algos.

Re: Amazon’s $23M book about flies (2011)

#16

To anyone considering reading the article, there isn't much more substance than a guy stumbling upon a book that is listed on Amazon for an absurd price.

Did you miss the part where they reverse engineered the pricing algorithm? What exactly were you expecting here?

They didn't reverse engineer anything. They made false assumptions based on nothingness.

Re: Amazon’s $23M book about flies (2011)

#17

Earlier quoted context omitted.

Did you miss the part where they reverse engineered the pricing algorithm? What exactly were you expecting here?

They didn't reverse engineer anything. They made false assumptions based on nothingness.

I'm curious how you know that the assumptions they made are false and what the correct metric to look at for REing a pricing algorithm would be if historical price is "nothingness".

Re: Amazon’s $23M book about flies (2011)

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I think I stumbled across similar behaviour, but for a used book. I was looking for a particular computer science book, couldn't find it new, and then decided to buy a used one from Amazon, ordering from the store with the best rating. It didn't arrive, and after a while (a few weeks) I received a notice that the delivery service had lost the book. I was refunded the money, though. The tracking number I got for the b…

I was sold the book although the store didn't have it.

This happens a lot, and has recently become very visible with the death of Queen Elizabeth Ⅱ.

A lot of people suddenly hit Amazon and other online shopping sites to buy Queen merchandise, only to have their orders cancelled because the sellers weren't real stores with inventory, but just randos on the internet used to going out to tourist shops and buying one or two items a month as orders came in.

When the flood of orders arrived, they couldn't handle it, since their local shops ran dry of the specific items they listed, too.

Re: Amazon’s $23M book about flies (2011)

#19
Might be a case of money laundry ? You would think it would be one-off then, but adding more units would make it more believable.

Example: it is very common to find people selling a pen for 50 Euro, by buying the pen you are gifted with concert tickets which are illegal to re-sell.

So think anything ilegal to sell or serve, that can be gifted if you buy that book.

edit: I agree with what user WaitWaitWha is saying.

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