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Linux Mint 12 “Lisa” released

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Re: Linux Mint 12 “Lisa” released

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honest question: why are so many people hating on unity? is it the launcher bar?

Have you used it? The principal thing is that it's different and offers less customization than gnome2 and even gnome3 with gnome-shell. Any action requires a hilarious number of clicks to get done. These sorts of things are self-evident when you've attempted to use Unity for any length of time.

Re: Linux Mint 12 “Lisa” released

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post #12

honest question: why are so many people hating on unity? is it the launcher bar?

Have you used it? The principal thing is that it's different and offers less customization than gnome2 and even gnome3 with gnome-shell. Any action requires a hilarious number of clicks to get done. These sorts of things are self-evident when you've attempted to use Unity for any length of time.

for now i only use linux server-side, but i'm thinking of maybe swiching from osx to linux for my next laptop. i played a little with both mint and ubuntu in vmware, but i don't think i can make a fair assessment.

personally, i don't care for customization at all, so i was wondering if there were other issues besides that.

Re: Linux Mint 12 “Lisa” released

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honest question: why are so many people hating on unity? is it the launcher bar?

Some people get used to a workflow. They have an environment set up just how they like.

All of a sudden Gnome release Gnome 3 - which breaks a lot of that workflow, and also means that people wanting to stay at Gnome 2.x are going to drift slowly into dependancy hell. And Shuttleworth plays his benign dictator card, saying he doesn't care what the community thinks, they're wrong, and Unity is the way forward. Unity also breaks the workflow.

Now those users are kind of stuck. KDE also has an example of dramatic change, so people might be reluctant to move there.

LXDE or XFCE aren't yet mature and there are some frustrating features with both. (But they've picked up some users.)

And then you're left with self-built desktop environments - one of the *boxes or some other WM + file manager + etc etc.

Re: Linux Mint 12 “Lisa” released

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I'm switching my Linux box and a friend's machine to Linux Mint (from Ubuntu), and was going to use v11. I want a simple desktop and something solid that isn't going to be buggy or difficult to setup. I basically use the terminal, emacs, Ruby, and a browser (Chrome).

Should I stick with v11 or go ahead and install v12 now? Would it be better to wait a while to let any bugs shake out, or should 12 be pretty solid now?

Re: Linux Mint 12 “Lisa” released

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Just installed Linux Mint Debian Edition. I'm conflicted. It seems nice, but a number of things don't work, the biggest being the nvidia drivers. Turned a bunch of old stuff into a standing dual-screen multimedia center in the garage, so plenty of room for fun and education, not sure I'd switch to it full time.

The ATI drivers don't work all that great either. The post-release drivers won't install at all. The other one installs, but it's really glitchy.

Re: Linux Mint 12 “Lisa” released

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I am not convinced by their "Fresh Upgrade" that looks like a fresh install! Ideally we should be able to upgrade automatically like Chrome or Windows or Wordpress. The future of Linux is here.

Linux Mint Debian Edition is a rolling release distribution. There are important differences between regular mint and LMDE.

Re: Linux Mint 12 “Lisa” released

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I'm switching my Linux box and a friend's machine to Linux Mint (from Ubuntu), and was going to use v11. I want a simple desktop and something solid that isn't going to be buggy or difficult to setup. I basically use the terminal, emacs, Ruby, and a browser (Chrome). Should I stick with v11 or go ahead and install v12 now? Would it be better to wait a while to let any bugs shake out, or should 12 be pretty solid now?

While I usually don't upgrade to a new version until a few weeks after a distro is updated, it boils down to personal taste more than anything. Honestly, the best answer is make live CDs of both, play with them both and go with the one you like.

Re: Linux Mint 12 “Lisa” released

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I am not convinced by their "Fresh Upgrade" that looks like a fresh install! Ideally we should be able to upgrade automatically like Chrome or Windows or Wordpress. The future of Linux is here.

With a clean install, there's less chance of an incident, and if you put /home on a separate partition, you don't have to back up your data (although you should, anyway). If you installed extra packages from the repos, you can get them back with:

  dpkg --get-selections > packages.txt
After reinstalling, do

  dpkg --set-selections 
As for automatic upgrades, that goes against the Linux / free software attitude that the user should be in control of her computer and know what it's doing. I think that's why there's no GUI option for automatic upgrades although unattended-upgrades does exist.
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