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Modi brushes aside US sanctions, immense potential for India-Russia partnership

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Re: Modi brushes aside US sanctions, immense potential for India-Russia partnership

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Post by rasz »

88840-8855 wrote: post #2

I speak to Indian expat colleagues here in Germany and they are all against the anti-Russian politics, against the sanctions, pro-Modi in a very differentiated way. I speak to Chinese and Taiwanese colleagues, also to South Korean colleagues. All are against the Western-led anti-Russia war. We are in a bubble here. A huge bubble and we believe that we are the only right people with the only right opinion.

>Western-led anti-Russia war.

I would too. But that is not what is happening, instead we have Russian-led war against Ukraine.

Re: Modi brushes aside US sanctions, immense potential for India-Russia partnership

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Post by batmanturkey »

88840-8855 wrote: post #7
helge9210 wrote: post #3

Earlier quoted context omitted.

> the Western-led anti-Russia war Russia invaded neighboring sovereign nation with the goal of annexing the territory. Dichotomy is simple: If you want to live in a world where this is okay, you can support Russia.

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Does your unrelated finger pointing at USA excuse and encourage Russia to invade a large sovereign country?

I grow weary of non-sequiturs deliberately dropped for the purpose of muddying black-and-white clear moral issues

Re: Modi brushes aside US sanctions, immense potential for India-Russia partnership

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Post by sschueller »

bsaul wrote: post #6
88840-8855 wrote: post #2

I speak to Indian expat colleagues here in Germany and they are all against the anti-Russian politics, against the sanctions, pro-Modi in a very differentiated way. I speak to Chinese and Taiwanese colleagues, also to South Korean colleagues. All are against the Western-led anti-Russia war. We are in a bubble here. A huge bubble and we believe that we are the only right people with the only right opinion.

i think you must be confused. The only real war happening right now is led by russia on the ukrainian territory. What the west is doing is taking anti-war measures to actually make it stop.

But the west is not doing anything other than supplying an endless supply of weapons. This is not anti-war. It's pro war on the side of Ukraine. At this point it looks like it will go on indefinitely. Where will we be in 10 in years?

Anti-war is to do everything to stop the war specifically diplomacy and talking to the enemy. Making deals, even if the enemy is an absolute psychopath.

Re: Modi brushes aside US sanctions, immense potential for India-Russia partnership

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Post by Arnt »

sschueller wrote: post #14
bsaul wrote: post #6

Earlier quoted context omitted.

i think you must be confused. The only real war happening right now is led by russia on the ukrainian territory. What the west is doing is taking anti-war measures to actually make it stop.

But the west is not doing anything other than supplying an endless supply of weapons. This is not anti-war. It's pro war on the side of Ukraine. At this point it looks like it will go on indefinitely. Where will we be in 10 in years? Anti-war is to do everything to stop the war specifically diplomacy and talking to the enemy. Making deals, even if the enemy is an absolute psychopath.

Could you describe what the west should do instead, a little more specifically?

There isn't a war, according to one of the combatants, so "ending the war" is a too vague. What does "end the war" mean when one of the combatants claims that there is no war? I think it's better to discuss how to end one the nasty results, and I chose the deportations of children. Not for any particular reason, just because it's of the concrete things we all want to stop.

The Russians have deported a staggering number of children (almost as many children as live in Berlin), both from areas near the frontline and areas far from it. Could you describe what the west might to do to stop those deportations? Something more effective than delivering weapons?

Re: Modi brushes aside US sanctions, immense potential for India-Russia partnership

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Post by dartharva »

greatgib wrote: post #9

Clear example of when you will sell your soul and your country for money. This in itself explains why the world is currently in a downward trend with everything going worse and worse. I just hope that when the shit will hit the fan for India, then US, EU and related countries will remember to let India deal with it alone and not provide them assistance!

With the kind of history it has had, India knows it's futile and extremely moronic to keep faith in the West for any kind of help when, if ever, "shit hits the fan" for it. That's actually among the main reasons it has chosen to not squander its relationship with its one trusted ally.

Re: Modi brushes aside US sanctions, immense potential for India-Russia partnership

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Post by sschueller »

Arnt wrote: post #15
sschueller wrote: post #14

Earlier quoted context omitted.

But the west is not doing anything other than supplying an endless supply of weapons. This is not anti-war. It's pro war on the side of Ukraine. At this point it looks like it will go on indefinitely. Where will we be in 10 in years? Anti-war is to do everything to stop the war specifically diplomacy and talking to the enemy. Making deals, even if the enemy is an absolute psychopath.

Could you describe what the west should do instead, a little more specifically? There isn't a war, according to one of the combatants, so "ending the war" is a too vague. What does "end the war" mean when one of the combatants claims that there is no war? I think it's better to discuss how to end one the nasty results, and I chose the deportations of children. Not for any particular reason, just because it's of the c…

Cease-fire and dialog to resolve conflicts. Willingness to make reasonable consetions and pow exchanges.

Re: Modi brushes aside US sanctions, immense potential for India-Russia partnership

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Post by Arnt »

sschueller wrote: post #17
Arnt wrote: post #15

Earlier quoted context omitted.

Could you describe what the west should do instead, a little more specifically? There isn't a war, according to one of the combatants, so "ending the war" is a too vague. What does "end the war" mean when one of the combatants claims that there is no war? I think it's better to discuss how to end one the nasty results, and I chose the deportations of children. Not for any particular reason, just because it's of the c…

Cease-fire and dialog to resolve conflicts. Willingness to make reasonable consetions and pow exchanges.

Uhm, wouldn't the Ukrainians need a hundred thousand POWs first in order to exchange them for the deported children?

Re: Modi brushes aside US sanctions, immense potential for India-Russia partnership

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Post by 88840-8855 »

Arnt wrote: post #18
sschueller wrote: post #17

Earlier quoted context omitted.

Cease-fire and dialog to resolve conflicts. Willingness to make reasonable consetions and pow exchanges.

Uhm, wouldn't the Ukrainians need a hundred thousand POWs first in order to exchange them for the deported children?

Deported children? You mean the same children that Saddam has killed back then and that the US used as a reason to bomb millions into oblivion... and that was a fake in the end? :)

No thanks, American lies and propaganda must be banned + people spreading it must be punished.

Re: Modi brushes aside US sanctions, immense potential for India-Russia partnership

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Post by cafard »

bsaul wrote: post #8
midislack wrote: post #5

Earlier quoted context omitted.

It's not necessary to support either side. India's neutral for now...

neutrality is judged pretty severely by history, and is often considered as cooperating with the aggressor. I'd be very cautious if i were india.. Now, the hypocrisy is that europe is probably happy India is buying ressources from russia, and then sell them back to them, since they don't really have alternatives.

> neutrality is judged pretty severely by history, ...

Does anyone hold it against Sweden and Switzerland that they sat out WW II? I've read, over the years, a complaint or two about particular policies, but I don't think they really affected the countries' image.

Nor do I see a compelling reason for India to align with either side.

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