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It’s time to let the five stages of grief die (2019)

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Re: It’s time to let the five stages of grief die (2019)

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No, I’m sure that can’t be right - the stages of grief are so well known they must be true. I mean, c’mon - have books and films just been lying to me all this time?! But maybe it’s not completely wrong - there must be a core of truth to it if it resonates so well. Maybe we can preserve that even if we don’t stick to the specific stages. But how could I have been fooled by this for so long? What’s wrong with me that…

Are the stages of grief even well known outside the US?

Re: It’s time to let the five stages of grief die (2019)

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>The five stages of grief are ingrained in our cultural consciousness as the natural progression of emotions one experiences after the death of a loved one. However, it turns out that this model is not science-based, does not well describe most people's experiences, and was never even meant to apply to the bereaved.

I find it applies perfectly to what I see happening in all kind of personal grief (for others and for oneself) and unmovable threat settings, so couldn't care less if it was "science based", as long as it's a descriptive observation...

And, yes, obviously, not everybody will feel exactly the same. For an extreme example, some people are sociopaths and might not even feel anything at all, never mind this. Others are very shallow and selfish, and take selfies next to their parents coffins. But this is about a rough matching of what people feel and how they handle grief - not a topographical map of feelings.

Re: It’s time to let the five stages of grief die (2019)

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There have been criticisms of this "model" for many years, but it has entered the public consciousness, so people assume it to be true. There was even a Simpsons episode where Homer goes thru the 5 stages in 5 minutes. "Everyone talks about it so iut must be true!" school of science. I have a similar problem with the Heroes Journey, which if you are in fiction/screenplay writing, is considered the Bible, and criticis…

It actually IS a valid starting point. Generally when 90% of the stories that humans tell each other fall under certain patterns, it's OK to categorize and label them. That's all that the Hero's Journey that Campbell describes is. You don't have to rebel against them just because they're established and labeled.

Re: It’s time to let the five stages of grief die (2019)

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No, I’m sure that can’t be right - the stages of grief are so well known they must be true. I mean, c’mon - have books and films just been lying to me all this time?! But maybe it’s not completely wrong - there must be a core of truth to it if it resonates so well. Maybe we can preserve that even if we don’t stick to the specific stages. But how could I have been fooled by this for so long? What’s wrong with me that…

>I mean, c’mon - have books and films just been lying to me all this time?!

Or this random internet opinion article does...

Re: It’s time to let the five stages of grief die (2019)

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No, I’m sure that can’t be right - the stages of grief are so well known they must be true. I mean, c’mon - have books and films just been lying to me all this time?! But maybe it’s not completely wrong - there must be a core of truth to it if it resonates so well. Maybe we can preserve that even if we don’t stick to the specific stages. But how could I have been fooled by this for so long? What’s wrong with me that…

Are the stages of grief even well known outside the US?

Yes. Half the world away from the US here.

Re: It’s time to let the five stages of grief die (2019)

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The version I got never portrayed it as something that's sequential and never 'ends' at acceptance and also not specifically applicable to grieving and it's also not scientific. The way I understood it is that's it's more a repetition of 5 different emotions in random order and over time some of the emotions re-occur less than the others. I think it's useful to help you observe the ways your mind tries to come to terms with things that are emotionally difficult to process, whether it's a car accident, natural disaster, an illness or even losing a loved one.

That said, I certainly do imagine some psychotherapists out there taking the order literally and explaining it like that to their patients.

Re: It’s time to let the five stages of grief die (2019)

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No, I’m sure that can’t be right - the stages of grief are so well known they must be true. I mean, c’mon - have books and films just been lying to me all this time?! But maybe it’s not completely wrong - there must be a core of truth to it if it resonates so well. Maybe we can preserve that even if we don’t stick to the specific stages. But how could I have been fooled by this for so long? What’s wrong with me that…

Could it be that the fact that the stages are "known" makes for a bleak perspective for whoever is going through them, without a sense of escape from it, and that makes it so that people prefer to attack this perspective in a sense of hoping for these steps to be actually wrong/not true? This to me seems more of a "nah please tell me another story that doesn't make me feel so bad", which I can also understand to a degree, but that doesn't change the realness of those "steps".

Re: It’s time to let the five stages of grief die (2019)

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There have been criticisms of this "model" for many years, but it has entered the public consciousness, so people assume it to be true. There was even a Simpsons episode where Homer goes thru the 5 stages in 5 minutes. "Everyone talks about it so iut must be true!" school of science. I have a similar problem with the Heroes Journey, which if you are in fiction/screenplay writing, is considered the Bible, and criticis…

The first paragraph in that arti cle is deeply incorrect and sets Campbell's work up as a strawman, which you unhelpfully perpetuate here in this comment.

Campbell does not "fundamentally claim" anything about "all human stories" in Hero with a Thousand Faces.

He merely points out a commonly recurring pattern among a certain subset of stories (namely, stories about famous heroes) across multiple human societies and cultures, even those with limited cultural overlap.

In fact, his work is like an early version of TV Tropes, giving names to thematically repeating elements of such stories.

You (and that blog's author) should actually read the book before declaring it nonsense.

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