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Re: How sustainable are fake meats?

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Post by _xerces_ »

WheelsAtLarge wrote: post #4

What I don't get about fake meats is that they even exist. There is absolutely no reason why humans need to eat meat. 20+% of India's population is vegetarian and has been for generations. They have full lives without meat. People don't have to be 100% vegetarians. The real game changer is to get the world's population to reduce their meat intake by eating more vegetarian meals. Vegetarian meals can be very tasty and…

When you get time to read the article, you'll see that this point was addressed and that it turns out people won't change their behavior despite knowing for decades that meat can be cruel and terrible for the planet. You need to give people and easy low-friction alternative, and eating beans and rice in place of a juicy burger isn't going to cut it.

Re: How sustainable are fake meats?

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Post by _xerces_ »

superchroma wrote: post #5
orionblastar wrote: post #3

It takes 8 gallons of water to produce cow milk 1 gallon. It takes 48 gallons of water to make almond milk 1 gallon. The same with the plant burgers take more water to make than meat. When water gets scarce there will be shortages.

maybe the answer is to try and make almond milk substitute then?

While almond is better, the article does suggest that almonds themselves are not the best when it comes to water usage.

Re: How sustainable are fake meats?

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Post by WheelsAtLarge »

_xerces_ wrote: post #11
WheelsAtLarge wrote: post #4

What I don't get about fake meats is that they even exist. There is absolutely no reason why humans need to eat meat. 20+% of India's population is vegetarian and has been for generations. They have full lives without meat. People don't have to be 100% vegetarians. The real game changer is to get the world's population to reduce their meat intake by eating more vegetarian meals. Vegetarian meals can be very tasty and…

When you get time to read the article, you'll see that this point was addressed and that it turns out people won't change their behavior despite knowing for decades that meat can be cruel and terrible for the planet. You need to give people and easy low-friction alternative, and eating beans and rice in place of a juicy burger isn't going to cut it.

No, they aren't really addressing the point, they point out that eating more vegetables is better but they don't address the point that creating more satisfying dishes with out having to produce a super processed product that does not resemble a vegetable and requires so many resources is so much better than fake meats at any level.

Fake meat is green washing at its best.

Re: How sustainable are fake meats?

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Post by shrubble »

orionblastar wrote: post #3

It takes 8 gallons of water to produce cow milk 1 gallon. It takes 48 gallons of water to make almond milk 1 gallon. The same with the plant burgers take more water to make than meat. When water gets scarce there will be shortages.

Where does the water disappear to? Does it enter an interdimensional wormhole, never to return?

Re: How sustainable are fake meats?

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Post by WheelsAtLarge »

blackqueeriroh wrote: post #10

Did any of you read the article? Fake meats are actually much more sustainable that real meats

Yes, they are more sustainable but they are in no way replacements. I've had a few but I wouldn't make it a habit to replace meat with it. But I would surely replace one of my meals with 100% vegetables if it was easy to get and tasty. One that comes to mind is a bean and rice burrito with salsa. It's delicious. That's the type of replacements that should be pushed, not fake meats.

The idea that fake meat is so much better is crazy. It's just a new way to make a buck.

Re: How sustainable are fake meats?

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Post by aaron695 »

WheelsAtLarge wrote: post #4

What I don't get about fake meats is that they even exist. There is absolutely no reason why humans need to eat meat. 20+% of India's population is vegetarian and has been for generations. They have full lives without meat. People don't have to be 100% vegetarians. The real game changer is to get the world's population to reduce their meat intake by eating more vegetarian meals. Vegetarian meals can be very tasty and…

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Re: How sustainable are fake meats?

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Post by dweinus »

orionblastar wrote: post #3

It takes 8 gallons of water to produce cow milk 1 gallon. It takes 48 gallons of water to make almond milk 1 gallon. The same with the plant burgers take more water to make than meat. When water gets scarce there will be shortages.

Tell me you didn't read before posting without telling me you didn't read before posting.

Re: How sustainable are fake meats?

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Post by atoav »

WheelsAtLarge wrote: post #15
blackqueeriroh wrote: post #10

Did any of you read the article? Fake meats are actually much more sustainable that real meats

Yes, they are more sustainable but they are in no way replacements. I've had a few but I wouldn't make it a habit to replace meat with it. But I would surely replace one of my meals with 100% vegetables if it was easy to get and tasty. One that comes to mind is a bean and rice burrito with salsa. It's delicious. That's the type of replacements that should be pushed, not fake meats. The idea that fake meat is so much…

It is a bit like in the Matrix. If it tastes the same and you have a good feeling when you bite into it, is there really a difference?

I mean aside from the fact that we are now entering times where the water consumption of each unit of meat produced will become a serious issue and threaten the actual survival of people.

Re: How sustainable are fake meats?

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Post by wyre »

WheelsAtLarge wrote: post #13
_xerces_ wrote: post #11

Earlier quoted context omitted.

When you get time to read the article, you'll see that this point was addressed and that it turns out people won't change their behavior despite knowing for decades that meat can be cruel and terrible for the planet. You need to give people and easy low-friction alternative, and eating beans and rice in place of a juicy burger isn't going to cut it.

No, they aren't really addressing the point, they point out that eating more vegetables is better but they don't address the point that creating more satisfying dishes with out having to produce a super processed product that does not resemble a vegetable and requires so many resources is so much better than fake meats at any level. Fake meat is green washing at its best.

Yes unprocessed vegetables are more sustainable than fake meat. The problem is that we as a society need to reduce the amount of meat that we eat. Fake meat is a drop-in replacement and is more sustainable. Your argument isn’t helping anything except for the meat industry.

Re: How sustainable are fake meats?

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Post by DangitBobby »

WheelsAtLarge wrote: post #15
blackqueeriroh wrote: post #10

Did any of you read the article? Fake meats are actually much more sustainable that real meats

Yes, they are more sustainable but they are in no way replacements. I've had a few but I wouldn't make it a habit to replace meat with it. But I would surely replace one of my meals with 100% vegetables if it was easy to get and tasty. One that comes to mind is a bean and rice burrito with salsa. It's delicious. That's the type of replacements that should be pushed, not fake meats. The idea that fake meat is so much…

As a vegetarian, having fake meat options is really great. Sometimes you just want a burger, or you need something that can be cooked on a grill at a social gathering. Just the fact that I can get fast food that isn't Taco Bell when I want to is a big deal.
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