Switch jobs to one that pays better or move
Simple supply and demand. If nobody accepts the pay, it will rise.
Ask HN: Location based pay is killing my motivation, how do others handle it?
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Re: Ask HN: Location based pay is killing my motivation, how do others handle it?
#12Switch jobs to one that pays better or move
other resources - no judgment, just what I've observed in worker movements:
- overemployment: take multiple remote jobs, meet expectations on performance but not on hours-in-seat
- "indie dev" path with recurring saas/IAP is also worth considering but obviously doesn't work at scale to solve these issues (ancaps would have you believe that the solution is for every person to become a business)
- talk compensation with your coworkers (check your labor rights) and organize
Re: Ask HN: Location based pay is killing my motivation, how do others handle it?
#13There's no real winning these on a point by point basis because the entire system of wage labor is set up to separate you from the value you create for owners as much as the market will bear. Employers agree with this openly every time they talk about how this is a market, though they avoid the charged language and obfuscate it by drawing focus to other ideas. These kind of logical points from employers are not rules…
My problem with these arguments is that there is supposedly a permanent class of “owners” and one of “workers”, and the workers are completely without agency nor ability to become owners themselves. Especially in software, a good idea can be converted into a business with minimal friction no matter where you live.
America has helped created more Latino millionaires than any other business through McDonald’s franchising model. These millionaires are now “owners”.
The Marxist class-based ideology ignores that fortunes are made and lost dynamically and your situation in life is not static. Even worse, once your viewpoint shifts to class-struggle you became a miserable defeatist lacking hope for the future. There is a reason communism died and Venezuela / Argentina are economic basket cases - once you view the economy as a zero-sum struggle, you start scheming to steal from productive private enterprise, and eventually everything collapses into shit.
My recommendation to OP, if you seriously want to raise your station in life, is to start hustling. Find a new job that pays more, start your own business, or immigrate to a higher paying country. No one is going to hand you anything. You have identified a problem - “my company pays me too little and I deserve more”. Option A is to give up, become demoralized, blame society, became a miserable complainer. Option 2 is to strategize about your situation and figure out a path to better compensation. Good luck!
Re: Ask HN: Location based pay is killing my motivation, how do others handle it?
#14Switch jobs to one that pays better or move
Simple supply and demand. If nobody accepts the pay, it will rise.
This is best accomplished in coordination, just as employers coordinate against workers (whether illegal anti-poaching agreements or by sharing market data with each other etc.)
Re: Ask HN: Location based pay is killing my motivation, how do others handle it?
#15Switch jobs to one that pays better or move
Honestly, I'm very conflicted about this.
My issue is not directly with my salary. It's more with the fact the I'm being payed less when compared to my peers in other locations while I'm doing the same/more work.
Location doesn't influence output, why should it influence the pay scale?
Re: Ask HN: Location based pay is killing my motivation, how do others handle it?
#16There's no real winning these on a point by point basis because the entire system of wage labor is set up to separate you from the value you create for owners as much as the market will bear. Employers agree with this openly every time they talk about how this is a market, though they avoid the charged language and obfuscate it by drawing focus to other ideas. These kind of logical points from employers are not rules…
My problem with these arguments is that there is supposedly a permanent class of “owners” and one of “workers”, and the workers are completely without agency nor ability to become owners themselves. Especially in software, a good idea can be converted into a business with minimal friction no matter where you live. America has helped created more Latino millionaires than any other business through McDonald’s franchisi…
There's a difference between an indie dev flipping an idea into a profitable app with their own hands vs say the approach taken by the Fast CEO. I didn't even get into ideology stuff or politics, only a material description of what he's seeing - but looks like you are repeating a bunch of rw talking points there without helping the OP.
Re: Ask HN: Location based pay is killing my motivation, how do others handle it?
#17Switch jobs to one that pays better or move
other resources - no judgment, just what I've observed in worker movements: - overemployment: take multiple remote jobs, meet expectations on performance but not on hours-in-seat - "indie dev" path with recurring saas/IAP is also worth considering but obviously doesn't work at scale to solve these issues (ancaps would have you believe that the solution is for every person to become a business) - talk compensation wit…
Talking compensation has opened my eyes to this. We need to stop this culture of being secretive about compensation.
Re: Ask HN: Location based pay is killing my motivation, how do others handle it?
#18The answer is the same here as for anyone else who wants a substantial raise. You need to find a new job. It’s possible your current employer could match a new offer or even pay you more, but first you need to show them you’re serious about leaving.
Re: Ask HN: Location based pay is killing my motivation, how do others handle it?
#19Earlier quoted context omitted.
My problem with these arguments is that there is supposedly a permanent class of “owners” and one of “workers”, and the workers are completely without agency nor ability to become owners themselves. Especially in software, a good idea can be converted into a business with minimal friction no matter where you live. America has helped created more Latino millionaires than any other business through McDonald’s franchisi…
There's a difference between an indie dev flipping an idea into a profitable app with their own hands vs say the approach taken by the Fast CEO. I didn't even get into ideology stuff or politics, only a material description of what he's seeing - but looks like you are repeating a bunch of rw talking points there without helping the OP.
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Re: Ask HN: Location based pay is killing my motivation, how do others handle it?
#20Earlier quoted context omitted.
other resources - no judgment, just what I've observed in worker movements: - overemployment: take multiple remote jobs, meet expectations on performance but not on hours-in-seat - "indie dev" path with recurring saas/IAP is also worth considering but obviously doesn't work at scale to solve these issues (ancaps would have you believe that the solution is for every person to become a business) - talk compensation wit…
Talking compensation has opened my eyes to this. We need to stop this culture of being secretive about compensation.
it benefits no one but the employer, and talking about it is usually legally protected (though look out for illegal retaliation). the ridiculous double standard of employers shaming workers for talking pay is that they all spend time and money organizing regional pay standards with other employers, whether through their VC firms, exec connections, or research firms. It's time we really take their advice to "act like owners".