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I ran the worlds largest DDoS-for-Hire empire and Cloudflare helped

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Re: I ran the worlds largest DDoS-for-Hire empire and Cloudflare helped

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Cloudflare is oddly political for an infrastructure provider. Every few months or so they seem to be forced to explain why they have decided to deplatform this or that website contrary to their no interference policy.

You don’t see AWS or Microsoft having the same frequency of these sorts of reports. What am I missing?

Re: I ran the worlds largest DDoS-for-Hire empire and Cloudflare helped

#13

Cloudflare is oddly political for an infrastructure provider. Every few months or so they seem to be forced to explain why they have decided to deplatform this or that website contrary to their no interference policy. You don’t see AWS or Microsoft having the same frequency of these sorts of reports. What am I missing?

I recall some anger when Microsoft closed some GitHub repos. I think the diversification of these companies helps silo the scale of scandals.

Re: I ran the worlds largest DDoS-for-Hire empire and Cloudflare helped

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> they are actively lighting these fires and making money by putting them out!

A bit of an odd take - it's like the fire department putting out the fire at the known arsonist-for-hire's house, and the police chief happens to run the fire department while doing nothing about the suspiciously wealthy arsonist.

The difference is that Cloudflare isn't an actual public service and has no obligation to DDOS protect anyone.

Re: I ran the worlds largest DDoS-for-Hire empire and Cloudflare helped

#15
post #9

I don't think the author's argument makes sense. Cloudflare's position is that they are neutral and will provide their services to anyone and everyone. They do not make those value judgements deciding who deserves their services or not. The fact that they thus provide their service to booters isn't a flaw in Cloudflare's argument, in fact it's consistent with their position. The author is implying that Cloudflare sho…

Cloudflare is neutral... Unless you are 8chan, Stormfront, or KiwiFarms.

It's an odd definition of neutrality that allows one to take decisive values positions.

Re: I ran the worlds largest DDoS-for-Hire empire and Cloudflare helped

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post #4

Earlier quoted context omitted.

He was sentenced to 13 months in prison, followed by 3 years of probation, plus forfeiting $500k of proceeds https://www.justice.gov/opa/pr/former-operator-illegal-boote...

Ok then. Better to have lead with that if it's going to be a central topic in the article.

It's the second link in the article and part of the header abstract.

Re: I ran the worlds largest DDoS-for-Hire empire and Cloudflare helped

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Cloudflare is oddly political for an infrastructure provider. Every few months or so they seem to be forced to explain why they have decided to deplatform this or that website contrary to their no interference policy. You don’t see AWS or Microsoft having the same frequency of these sorts of reports. What am I missing?

It's the exact opposite. They try to be, and I believe are, the least political out of all networking infrastructure companies, so in the very rare cases where they do decide to deplatform (Daily Stormer, 8chan, and Kiwi Farms are the only three) it always makes huge press.

AWS or Azure doing the same wouldn't make news because they would immediately drop a site like Kiwi Farms, and anything like it, after the first report or two. If you're routinely kicking people out, people don't scrutinize you when you do it. To bastardize Stalin's quote: three deplatformings is a tragedy, thousands is a statistic.

Re: I ran the worlds largest DDoS-for-Hire empire and Cloudflare helped

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post #9

I don't think the author's argument makes sense. Cloudflare's position is that they are neutral and will provide their services to anyone and everyone. They do not make those value judgements deciding who deserves their services or not. The fact that they thus provide their service to booters isn't a flaw in Cloudflare's argument, in fact it's consistent with their position. The author is implying that Cloudflare sho…

I would agree with you, however please take a look at a statement from CloudFlare earlier today: https://news.ycombinator.com/item?id=32707821

"Our decision today was that the risk created by the content could not be dealt with in a timely enough matter by the traditional rule of law systems."

Booter services have been using CloudFlare for the better part of a decade, sure individual services come and go but the trend is persistent. So for booter services a decade is enough time for the rule of law to make the decision but another type of controversial platform follows it's own arbitrary timeline, and I would argue that is setting the most dangerous precedent of all, especially when the 'risk' created by a particular type of content doesn't outweigh any potential financial incentives.

Re: I ran the worlds largest DDoS-for-Hire empire and Cloudflare helped

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post #9

I don't think the author's argument makes sense. Cloudflare's position is that they are neutral and will provide their services to anyone and everyone. They do not make those value judgements deciding who deserves their services or not. The fact that they thus provide their service to booters isn't a flaw in Cloudflare's argument, in fact it's consistent with their position. The author is implying that Cloudflare sho…

Cloudflare is neutral... Unless you are 8chan, Stormfront, or KiwiFarms. It's an odd definition of neutrality that allows one to take decisive values positions.

Maybe we should redefine "neutrality" in this post-truth era

Re: I ran the worlds largest DDoS-for-Hire empire and Cloudflare helped

#20

How do we prevent DDOS without centralized services like these? There has to be something. It would be nice if these attacks were blocked before they even get to a transit provider, but cheap server / VPN providers seem unmotivated to try to solve the problem (since they barely lose any money when they facilitate the DDOS, and/or the attacking devices are rogue IoT devices and booting them would mean booting legitima…

We dismantle the service providers that provide cover for the forums in which DDoS attacks are advertised and purchased, like Cloudflare themselves.
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