You don’t see AWS or Microsoft having the same frequency of these sorts of reports. What am I missing?
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#12Can we just skip to the end where the internet breaks into fiefdoms? AOL almost did it in the 90s.
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#13Cloudflare is oddly political for an infrastructure provider. Every few months or so they seem to be forced to explain why they have decided to deplatform this or that website contrary to their no interference policy. You don’t see AWS or Microsoft having the same frequency of these sorts of reports. What am I missing?
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#14A bit of an odd take - it's like the fire department putting out the fire at the known arsonist-for-hire's house, and the police chief happens to run the fire department while doing nothing about the suspiciously wealthy arsonist.
The difference is that Cloudflare isn't an actual public service and has no obligation to DDOS protect anyone.
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#15I don't think the author's argument makes sense. Cloudflare's position is that they are neutral and will provide their services to anyone and everyone. They do not make those value judgements deciding who deserves their services or not. The fact that they thus provide their service to booters isn't a flaw in Cloudflare's argument, in fact it's consistent with their position. The author is implying that Cloudflare sho…
It's an odd definition of neutrality that allows one to take decisive values positions.
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#16Earlier quoted context omitted.
He was sentenced to 13 months in prison, followed by 3 years of probation, plus forfeiting $500k of proceeds https://www.justice.gov/opa/pr/former-operator-illegal-boote...
Ok then. Better to have lead with that if it's going to be a central topic in the article.
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#17Cloudflare is oddly political for an infrastructure provider. Every few months or so they seem to be forced to explain why they have decided to deplatform this or that website contrary to their no interference policy. You don’t see AWS or Microsoft having the same frequency of these sorts of reports. What am I missing?
AWS or Azure doing the same wouldn't make news because they would immediately drop a site like Kiwi Farms, and anything like it, after the first report or two. If you're routinely kicking people out, people don't scrutinize you when you do it. To bastardize Stalin's quote: three deplatformings is a tragedy, thousands is a statistic.
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#18I don't think the author's argument makes sense. Cloudflare's position is that they are neutral and will provide their services to anyone and everyone. They do not make those value judgements deciding who deserves their services or not. The fact that they thus provide their service to booters isn't a flaw in Cloudflare's argument, in fact it's consistent with their position. The author is implying that Cloudflare sho…
"Our decision today was that the risk created by the content could not be dealt with in a timely enough matter by the traditional rule of law systems."
Booter services have been using CloudFlare for the better part of a decade, sure individual services come and go but the trend is persistent. So for booter services a decade is enough time for the rule of law to make the decision but another type of controversial platform follows it's own arbitrary timeline, and I would argue that is setting the most dangerous precedent of all, especially when the 'risk' created by a particular type of content doesn't outweigh any potential financial incentives.
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#19I don't think the author's argument makes sense. Cloudflare's position is that they are neutral and will provide their services to anyone and everyone. They do not make those value judgements deciding who deserves their services or not. The fact that they thus provide their service to booters isn't a flaw in Cloudflare's argument, in fact it's consistent with their position. The author is implying that Cloudflare sho…
Cloudflare is neutral... Unless you are 8chan, Stormfront, or KiwiFarms. It's an odd definition of neutrality that allows one to take decisive values positions.
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#20How do we prevent DDOS without centralized services like these? There has to be something. It would be nice if these attacks were blocked before they even get to a transit provider, but cheap server / VPN providers seem unmotivated to try to solve the problem (since they barely lose any money when they facilitate the DDOS, and/or the attacking devices are rogue IoT devices and booting them would mean booting legitima…