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Post by SamoyedFurFluff »

csdvrx wrote: post #9
heedspin wrote: post #8

Regarding Trump and his immunocapitalist behavior: I understand the position of the "Great Barrington Declaration" would be to make a majority of the population "acclimated" as soon as possible. Only lock down the vulnerable population. This could be effective because covid is not as deadly as yellow fever and not dangerous to a significant portion of the population. Setting aside all the Fauci political piss matchin…

> Regarding Trump and his immunocapitalist behavior: I understand the position of the "Great Barrington Declaration" would be to make a majority of the population "acclimated" as soon as possible. Only lock down the vulnerable population. This could be effective because covid is not as deadly as yellow fever and not dangerous to a significant portion of the population. Hindsight 2020 (pun intended) > I do wonder what…

I don’t think if we went fully uncaring of the pandemic in 2020 we would have the same results in 2022. We didn’t have vaccines, antiviral drugs, knowledge of how to treat, a less pathological strain in circulation, etc. in 2020.

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Post by jameshart »

unnamed76ri wrote: post #5

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‘We gave public health measures a half-assed try, and they only seemed moderately effective’ is not data that shows ‘just how ineffectual masks and the vaccines are.’

Remember that the goals of most pandemic measures were to keep case levels low enough to keep hospitals functional. During periods with high regional covid caseloads, hospital capacity continues to be severely impacted. The ‘let it rip’ approach would have had far worse consequences.

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Post by jodrellblank »

unnamed76ri wrote: post #5

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> the data to show just how ineffectual masks and the vaccines are.

https://www.cdc.gov/media/releases/2022/s0715-COVID-VE.html

"vaccine effectiveness (VE) was 61% for two doses against COVID-19-associated hospitalizations; VE increased to between 85%–92% after receipt of a third/booster dose."

"COVID-19 vaccines remain our single most important tool to protect people against serious illness, hospitalization, and death."

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Post by basilgohar »

jameshart wrote: post #12
unnamed76ri wrote: post #5

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‘We gave public health measures a half-assed try, and they only seemed moderately effective’ is not data that shows ‘just how ineffectual masks and the vaccines are.’ Remember that the goals of most pandemic measures were to keep case levels low enough to keep hospitals functional. During periods with high regional covid caseloads, hospital capacity continues to be severely impacted. The ‘let it rip’ approach would h…

Your succinct summary is great and it also identifies how difficult and mixed-up the messaging around these measures were – the measures were taken, but oftentimes less than optimally, but that gave all the fuel to claim they were ineffective, and the nuance of how effective they were or were not as well as if they had been implemented with more effect (e.g., as in NZ, which, of course, is different from the US in many ways), is all lost in social media act-react exchanges.

I think nuance, subtly, and details of conversation, while never having been that prominent to begin with, have been major victims of this post-truth society we've entered. Healthy exchanges with mutual respect, even if we disagree with one-another, seems almost lost as we've gotten conditioned to take everything as a with-us or against-us type position. It even discourages me from bringing certain topics for discussion altogether because I fear the one-sided retorts we've been conditioned to make. It's really quite tragic.

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Post by swayvil »

reader_x wrote: post #4

Excellent article and interview. Jack London helped me see how those in control (here the New Orleans owners of enslaved people, the merchants, and/or the politicians—author says many were all 3) would likely respond to an event (including disease) so as to preserve their own position and then claim that as moral and scientific: In The Iron Heel, referring to owners of northern factories with child labor and other gh…

This is classic advertising. Evoke a desire then provide a solution.

And yes, the victim will happily accomodate any inconsistencies between the solution and reality/morality/etc.

The takeaway is : reason serves desire.

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Post by unnamed76ri »

jodrellblank wrote: post #13
unnamed76ri wrote: post #5

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> the data to show just how ineffectual masks and the vaccines are. https://www.cdc.gov/media/releases/2022/s0715-COVID-VE.html " vaccine effectiveness (VE) was 61% for two doses against COVID-19-associated hospitalizations; VE increased to between 85%–92% after receipt of a third/booster dose. " " COVID-19 vaccines remain our single most important tool to protect people against serious illness, hospitalization, and…

They literally told us we wouldn’t even get sick if we got the vaccine. What other vaccine requires endless boosters and you still get sick?

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Post by sojournerc »

SamoyedFurFluff wrote: post #11
csdvrx wrote: post #9

Earlier quoted context omitted.

> Regarding Trump and his immunocapitalist behavior: I understand the position of the "Great Barrington Declaration" would be to make a majority of the population "acclimated" as soon as possible. Only lock down the vulnerable population. This could be effective because covid is not as deadly as yellow fever and not dangerous to a significant portion of the population. Hindsight 2020 (pun intended) > I do wonder what…

I don’t think if we went fully uncaring of the pandemic in 2020 we would have the same results in 2022. We didn’t have vaccines, antiviral drugs, knowledge of how to treat, a less pathological strain in circulation, etc. in 2020.

The Great Barrington declaration did not suggest "going fully uncaring" just that our efforts should have been targeted rather than generalized to the whole. I too wonder what this would of looked like. Children would've absolutely had an easier time of it if we did.

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Post by [deleted] »

imoverclocked wrote: post #2

That’s pretty dark. Immunocapitalism is a new word for me but we have a much longer history of using disease in North America… at least all the way back to the first Europeans coming across the ocean. Even with all of our technology and knowledge, our species is still easily recognized as the same thing that existed 1000s of years ago. True change is hard.

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Post by smrk007 »

unnamed76ri wrote: post #16
jodrellblank wrote: post #13

Earlier quoted context omitted.

> the data to show just how ineffectual masks and the vaccines are. https://www.cdc.gov/media/releases/2022/s0715-COVID-VE.html " vaccine effectiveness (VE) was 61% for two doses against COVID-19-associated hospitalizations; VE increased to between 85%–92% after receipt of a third/booster dose. " " COVID-19 vaccines remain our single most important tool to protect people against serious illness, hospitalization, and…

They literally told us we wouldn’t even get sick if we got the vaccine. What other vaccine requires endless boosters and you still get sick?

The flu vaccine?
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