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Re: I’m Going Long Right Now

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Post by lackbeard »

kingkongrevenge wrote: post #4

His advice that the average person should not speculate in equities is sound, but he kind of ignores the fact that if you're 100% CDs you're a currency speculator. You're betting on the dollar and the US banking system. There is no true safe haven. The more history I experience the more sense Harry Browne's old "Permanent Portfolio" makes. He said (if I recall correctly): A third equity indexes, a third bonds (weight…

In Fail-Safe Investing, Harry Browne's suggestion is 25% each in: equity index funds, long term bonds, cash (in a treasury money market fund,) and gold.

Also, he suggests everything be U.S. stuff. U.S. stocks, treasury bonds, and treasury-backed money market fund. Obviously this doesn't apply to gold.

He does also suggest that some of your assets be held outside the control of your government. His advice for how to accomplish this is to have most of your gold held in a bank in Switzerland or Austria.

Re: I’m Going Long Right Now

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Post by lackbeard »

eru wrote: post #6
kingkongrevenge wrote: post #4

His advice that the average person should not speculate in equities is sound, but he kind of ignores the fact that if you're 100% CDs you're a currency speculator. You're betting on the dollar and the US banking system. There is no true safe haven. The more history I experience the more sense Harry Browne's old "Permanent Portfolio" makes. He said (if I recall correctly): A third equity indexes, a third bonds (weight…

How about substitution of real estate for gold? Real estate might not be en vogue right now - but at least you can grow food on a farm.

One problem with real estate is that it's not very liquid. And it's hard to get ample diversification unless you're super rich.

Re: I’m Going Long Right Now

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Post by netcan »

lackbeard wrote: post #11
kingkongrevenge wrote: post #4

His advice that the average person should not speculate in equities is sound, but he kind of ignores the fact that if you're 100% CDs you're a currency speculator. You're betting on the dollar and the US banking system. There is no true safe haven. The more history I experience the more sense Harry Browne's old "Permanent Portfolio" makes. He said (if I recall correctly): A third equity indexes, a third bonds (weight…

In Fail-Safe Investing, Harry Browne's suggestion is 25% each in: equity index funds, long term bonds, cash (in a treasury money market fund,) and gold. Also, he suggests everything be U.S. stuff. U.S. stocks, treasury bonds, and treasury-backed money market fund. Obviously this doesn't apply to gold. He does also suggest that some of your assets be held outside the control of your government. His advice for how to a…

Always surprised to see gold on this list. Isn't it the ultimate baseball card? Held mostly for trading and influenced by both unpredictable demand (fashion) and unpredictable supply (what if some huge mine is discovered?).

Re: I’m Going Long Right Now

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Post by netcan »

kingkongrevenge wrote: post #7
eru wrote: post #6

Earlier quoted context omitted.

How about substitution of real estate for gold? Real estate might not be en vogue right now - but at least you can grow food on a farm.

Owning real estate is more like taking on a part time job than a passive investment.

Which is why it's attractive to middle income investors.

Apart from the fact that they can make big bold moves like leverage 10/1, control an asset worth 5X their yearly income, etc.

But a bigger reason is that it gives them a way of relatively easily combining time & money investments without giving up their normal income.

Re: I’m Going Long Right Now

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Post by kingkongrevenge »

netcan wrote: post #13
lackbeard wrote: post #11

Earlier quoted context omitted.

In Fail-Safe Investing, Harry Browne's suggestion is 25% each in: equity index funds, long term bonds, cash (in a treasury money market fund,) and gold. Also, he suggests everything be U.S. stuff. U.S. stocks, treasury bonds, and treasury-backed money market fund. Obviously this doesn't apply to gold. He does also suggest that some of your assets be held outside the control of your government. His advice for how to a…

Always surprised to see gold on this list. Isn't it the ultimate baseball card? Held mostly for trading and influenced by both unpredictable demand (fashion) and unpredictable supply (what if some huge mine is discovered?).

You find gold more surprising than cash against these concerns?

Re: I’m Going Long Right Now

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Post by LPTS »

ojbyrne wrote: post #15

Two days ago Jim Cramer said "sell everything." I can think of no better buy signal.

I remember when Jim Cramer was saying "Bear Stearns is fine. These people who say Bear Stearns is failing are crazy." and then Bear Stearns crashed 10 minutes later.

I wish I could fuck up as bad as Jim Cramer does all the time and still have people take me seriously.

Re: I’m Going Long Right Now

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Post by bokonist »

netcan wrote: post #13
lackbeard wrote: post #11

Earlier quoted context omitted.

In Fail-Safe Investing, Harry Browne's suggestion is 25% each in: equity index funds, long term bonds, cash (in a treasury money market fund,) and gold. Also, he suggests everything be U.S. stuff. U.S. stocks, treasury bonds, and treasury-backed money market fund. Obviously this doesn't apply to gold. He does also suggest that some of your assets be held outside the control of your government. His advice for how to a…

Always surprised to see gold on this list. Isn't it the ultimate baseball card? Held mostly for trading and influenced by both unpredictable demand (fashion) and unpredictable supply (what if some huge mine is discovered?).

There are two differences. One, gold is impossible to counterfeit. The Fed can print more money, companies can dilute their stocks, Topps can introduce new lines of baseball cards, but short of building a particle collider, you can't make more gold. The chance of a new discovery affecting the price of gold is rather slim. The Earth is pretty well explored at this point. The second difference is that gold is a natural Schelling Point (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Schelling_point). Society needs one object to serve as a store of value. We call this object money. Throughout the ages, this object has consistently been gold. Currently, we are in a historically abnormal period where the store of value is a U.S. Federal Federal Reserve Note. If it looks like the U.S. government is abusing this privilege by diluting the currency, people start hedging back towards gold. On the other hand, if someone like Paul Volcker starts running the show, faith in the dollar is restored, and the price of gold collapses.

So yeah, gold is like the ultimate baseball card. But the emphasis is on the world "ultimate", and that makes all the difference.

Re: I’m Going Long Right Now

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Post by newaccountname »

beaudeal wrote: post #3

6 months ago when I put 90% of my savings into CDs, people around me told me I was playing it too safe...let me tell you, right now I am one happy person.

You should have put it all into the highest yielding (and thus riskiest) money market accounts. The government ended up giving them the same coverage as your CDs (not that you could have known that would happen...).

Re: I’m Going Long Right Now

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Post by netcan »

bokonist wrote: post #18
netcan wrote: post #13

Earlier quoted context omitted.

Always surprised to see gold on this list. Isn't it the ultimate baseball card? Held mostly for trading and influenced by both unpredictable demand (fashion) and unpredictable supply (what if some huge mine is discovered?).

There are two differences. One, gold is impossible to counterfeit. The Fed can print more money, companies can dilute their stocks, Topps can introduce new lines of baseball cards, but short of building a particle collider, you can't make more gold. The chance of a new discovery affecting the price of gold is rather slim. The Earth is pretty well explored at this point. The second difference is that gold is a natural…

2 reasonably big assumptions: 1 stable supply (no new gold) 2 stable as a Schelling Point. Not unreasonable. But it's not unreasonable to assume the dollar will maintain value either.

Society needs one object to serve as a store of value

Unfortunately, it does not have one. Gold is one such object. You yourself are describing a fluctuation in demand in response to US government actions. That will lead to a fluctuation in price regardless of the real world value it supposedly represents - just like any other currensy. With the bonus that you can make earings out of it.

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