You cannot have dominant players in a supply chin if there is no demand
Quoth the article:
> The cartels “don’t just fill a void, they create a market,” Mr. Dhillon said.
Two Mexican drug cartels came to dominate America’s fentanyl supply
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And a lot of that violence spills over the border into the US. Bloody cartel murders, extortion, and such are common in the southwest US and beyond. The Mexican government and politicians are all somewhere in between being controlled by the cartels and too scared to do anything about them. That is casus belli , legal grounds for war, by any reasonable understanding of international law.
If the US actually started using its military to hit these guys, what would stop them from sending a thousand guys into a large chemical or nuclear plant and creating a disaster that wiped out a city, or more? I find this sort of jingo rhetoric disturbing because the US has never faced an enemy with thousands of troops inside the US and the funding of a nation state. I can imagine an idiot like Trump actually starting something like this up.
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#13You cannot have dominant players in a supply chin if there is no demand
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#14You cannot have dominant players in a supply chin if there is no demand
The cartels are also extorting avocado farmers for a cut of their profits. It turns out that, if you have a lot of bad people in power, they find ways to do bad things for personal enrichment.
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as someone who vacations regularly throughout mexico (tijuana, rosarito, mexico city, chihuahua and baja amongst the destinations) i find these sorts of comments silly at best.
there is no "mexican civil war" there was the Cristero, the reform, and the revolutionary war. https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Mexican_Civil_War
while organized criminal homicides are rising, it is nowhere near sixty-thousand. it has never been close.
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Mexican_drug_war#Casualties
the civilian casualties of the Syrian civil war numbered nearly 230,000 which is nearly quadruple your assessment.
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Casualties_of_the_Syrian_civil...
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isn't MX the country where four dozen activist college students were murdered, many years later a senior, acting Federal attorney was arrested for the covering up the investigation? ( edit )
It's also the place where bloggers are routinely killed for blogging about crime. Also, any new law enforcement agent announcing they're going to do something about crime is murdered within 24hrs or so.
"Editor's note: Because of concerns over their ongoing safety in Mexico, the name of the reporter who wrote this story is not listed." https://www.usatoday.com/story/news/nation/2021/11/29/mexica...
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And a lot of that violence spills over the border into the US. Bloody cartel murders, extortion, and such are common in the southwest US and beyond. The Mexican government and politicians are all somewhere in between being controlled by the cartels and too scared to do anything about them. That is casus belli , legal grounds for war, by any reasonable understanding of international law.
If the US actually started using its military to hit these guys, what would stop them from sending a thousand guys into a large chemical or nuclear plant and creating a disaster that wiped out a city, or more? I find this sort of jingo rhetoric disturbing because the US has never faced an enemy with thousands of troops inside the US and the funding of a nation state. I can imagine an idiot like Trump actually startin…
The same thing that prevents any enemy from sending a thousand guys to any other sensitive site - men with guns (and intel and air support and armor).
Occasionally the cartel and Texas guard do exchange fire.
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And a lot of that violence spills over the border into the US. Bloody cartel murders, extortion, and such are common in the southwest US and beyond. The Mexican government and politicians are all somewhere in between being controlled by the cartels and too scared to do anything about them. That is casus belli , legal grounds for war, by any reasonable understanding of international law.
If the US actually started using its military to hit these guys, what would stop them from sending a thousand guys into a large chemical or nuclear plant and creating a disaster that wiped out a city, or more? I find this sort of jingo rhetoric disturbing because the US has never faced an enemy with thousands of troops inside the US and the funding of a nation state. I can imagine an idiot like Trump actually startin…
It's not "jingo rhetoric." Many of the government leaders south of the border are literally in cahoots with the cartels to commit thousands of murders a year, either directly or through peddling fentanyl, in the US. The rest of them have decided to go along with it out of fear. That is an act of war. The US should respond wisely and carefully, but people should remember these are literally ongoing acts of war committed against us. And what you propose the cartels would respond with is unlikely to work and would only elicit the directed ire of the US at the particular groups that ordered it, so would not be a rational move.
We are spending billions of dollars and killing many Russian soldiers and civilians to fight Putin, but Mexico is responsible for more American deaths and mayhem than Putin ever dream of.
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Not op but legalizing drugs to purify the supply chain, collect taxes, and give people a safe place to do the things they would otherwise do anyways seems like efficient allocation of resources with the benefit of starving the cartels.
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as someone who vacations regularly throughout mexico (tijuana, rosarito, mexico city, chihuahua and baja amongst the destinations) i find these sorts of comments silly at best. there is no "mexican civil war" there was the Cristero, the reform, and the revolutionary war. https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Mexican_Civil_War while organized criminal homicides are rising, it is nowhere near sixty-thousand. it has never been…
From your second link:
> 227,413 civilians had been killed between March 2011 and June 2022.
That's about 20k a year (assuming an even distribution across the entire conflict, which is probably a bad assumption.)
From your first link, there were 33k organized crime related murders in Mexico in 2021.
Probably both of these should be adjusted per capita (Mexico has ~6x the population of Syria), but in absolute numbers they seem to be in the same ballpark.