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This Teen Was Prescribed 10 Psychiatric Drugs. She’s Not Alone

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Re: This Teen Was Prescribed 10 Psychiatric Drugs. She’s Not Alone

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Post by eurasiantiger »

krageon wrote: post #10
eurasiantiger wrote: post #8

Earlier quoted context omitted.

What if someone’s permutation is cocaine? Would you consider that a valid treatment?

If you function well and are happy, why not?

Because production and trafficking kills tens of thousands of people every year and corrupts all nations from top to bottom? Because cocaine laboratories in South American jungles routinely dump hazardous waste in the soil and the rivers? Because rainforests are cleared to plant coca? Because local farmers are forced to plant coca instead of food crops?

Re: This Teen Was Prescribed 10 Psychiatric Drugs. She’s Not Alone

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Post by vogt »

eurasiantiger wrote: post #11
krageon wrote: post #10

Earlier quoted context omitted.

If you function well and are happy, why not?

Because production and trafficking kills tens of thousands of people every year and corrupts all nations from top to bottom? Because cocaine laboratories in South American jungles routinely dump hazardous waste in the soil and the rivers? Because rainforests are cleared to plant coca? Because local farmers are forced to plant coca instead of food crops?

Okay, so you shifted the goalpost of context from being about the effect of drugs on the brain to the greater societal effects of X drug needing Y things to happen to exist. Why not throw in animal testing in pharmaceuticals as well? Of course all of that about cocaine is true, but what the hell part of that is germane to this conversation?

Re: This Teen Was Prescribed 10 Psychiatric Drugs. She’s Not Alone

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Post by parkingrift »

eurasiantiger wrote: post #11
krageon wrote: post #10

Earlier quoted context omitted.

If you function well and are happy, why not?

Because production and trafficking kills tens of thousands of people every year and corrupts all nations from top to bottom? Because cocaine laboratories in South American jungles routinely dump hazardous waste in the soil and the rivers? Because rainforests are cleared to plant coca? Because local farmers are forced to plant coca instead of food crops?

Sounds like the answer then is to legalize it from top to bottom. Regulate it like any other legitimate business.

Re: This Teen Was Prescribed 10 Psychiatric Drugs. She’s Not Alone

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Post by eurasiantiger »

vogt wrote: post #12
eurasiantiger wrote: post #11

Earlier quoted context omitted.

Because production and trafficking kills tens of thousands of people every year and corrupts all nations from top to bottom? Because cocaine laboratories in South American jungles routinely dump hazardous waste in the soil and the rivers? Because rainforests are cleared to plant coca? Because local farmers are forced to plant coca instead of food crops?

Okay, so you shifted the goalpost of context from being about the effect of drugs on the brain to the greater societal effects of X drug needing Y things to happen to exist. Why not throw in animal testing in pharmaceuticals as well? Of course all of that about cocaine is true, but what the hell part of that is germane to this conversation?

Well, for starters, it is societally insane to outlaw some substances and allow others to be monopolized.

Re: This Teen Was Prescribed 10 Psychiatric Drugs. She’s Not Alone

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Post by mbg721 »

parkingrift wrote: post #13
eurasiantiger wrote: post #11

Earlier quoted context omitted.

Because production and trafficking kills tens of thousands of people every year and corrupts all nations from top to bottom? Because cocaine laboratories in South American jungles routinely dump hazardous waste in the soil and the rivers? Because rainforests are cleared to plant coca? Because local farmers are forced to plant coca instead of food crops?

Sounds like the answer then is to legalize it from top to bottom. Regulate it like any other legitimate business.

What's Caesar's line in the series "Rome"? Something like "I don't approve of what you did, but I cannot punish you, because it would be unpopular with the men. And I cannot do nothing, because it would make me appear weak. Therefore, I must reward you."

Re: This Teen Was Prescribed 10 Psychiatric Drugs. She’s Not Alone

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Post by aaaaaaaaata »

eurasiantiger wrote: post #11
krageon wrote: post #10

Earlier quoted context omitted.

If you function well and are happy, why not?

Because production and trafficking kills tens of thousands of people every year and corrupts all nations from top to bottom? Because cocaine laboratories in South American jungles routinely dump hazardous waste in the soil and the rivers? Because rainforests are cleared to plant coca? Because local farmers are forced to plant coca instead of food crops?

Colombia is legalizing, should be interesting to see how that changes the market.

Re: This Teen Was Prescribed 10 Psychiatric Drugs. She’s Not Alone

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Post by vogt »

eurasiantiger wrote: post #14
vogt wrote: post #12

Earlier quoted context omitted.

Okay, so you shifted the goalpost of context from being about the effect of drugs on the brain to the greater societal effects of X drug needing Y things to happen to exist. Why not throw in animal testing in pharmaceuticals as well? Of course all of that about cocaine is true, but what the hell part of that is germane to this conversation?

Well, for starters, it is societally insane to outlaw some substances and allow others to be monopolized.

So since that is true of nearly every society on earth, does that make the world societally insane or sane?

Re: This Teen Was Prescribed 10 Psychiatric Drugs. She’s Not Alone

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Post by eurasiantiger »

vogt wrote: post #17
eurasiantiger wrote: post #14

Earlier quoted context omitted.

Well, for starters, it is societally insane to outlaw some substances and allow others to be monopolized.

So since that is true of nearly every society on earth, does that make the world societally insane or sane?

It is only true due to the United Nations general convention on narcotics and other similar deals, which are in effect in an attempt to limit smuggling to the US, to increase the revenue of US pharmaceutical companies, and considering the 60’s-70’s political motivations of Nixon and Reagan, to reap huge profits off the now illicit drug trade.

Drugs were made illegal because ”they were thought to be dangerous to the establishment” in the form of African-American and civil liberties activists, both of which were easy to label stereotypical drug users with a bout of fictitious press.

Another political reason was the historically open international trade which did end up with the Opium Wars in China — but that precedent was used as a propaganda tool first and foremost, since the real reason for the war was not opium, but Great Britain’s heavy-handed imperialist approach to trade.

The irony is that these conventions are enforced with a similarly heavy hand and with equally imperialist policy behind it.

Re: This Teen Was Prescribed 10 Psychiatric Drugs. She’s Not Alone

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Post by mjjjjjjj »

I recently started a course of TMS (transcranial magnetic stimulation) for my treatment-resistant depression that’s been affecting me on and off since I was 13. Every weekday I go into the doctor’s office for twenty minutes and they zap my brain with a magnetic field. The course of treatment lasts 6-7 weeks, by week three my brain felt ten years younger and more energetic. I am still my same bs self with the same bs behavior, but now I don’t hate myself for every little failing. It’s amazing how you can solve your problems better when you stop beating yourself up for having them.

Virtually no side effects! The current standard protocol is annoying in its cost and the time commitment required, but this past year Stanford got a new protocol approved, called Stanford Neuromodulation Therapy, which is all done in the course of a week. There are people who’ve been depressed for decades who start feeling better on day one.

Huge possibilities with TMS protocols, especially accelerated ones like that!

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