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Re: The UK's downturn is a warning for Europe

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Post by BerislavLopac » Thu, Aug 25, 2022, 9:04 PM UTC

AreYouSirius wrote: post #8

UK voted to leave EU, defacto they voted to become enclave of USA. American influence from Trumps Steve Bannons Cambridge analytica THRU american corporation Facebook led to brexit. so it is what some americans wanted, so now they have it, so go complain to these people britain.

> UK voted to leave EU

It did not. A minority of voters voted "yes" in an advisory non-binding referendum. But this result was milked for propaganda purposes to drag the country into a downward spiral, which has been the plan all along.

Re: The UK's downturn is a warning for Europe

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Post by moomin » Thu, Aug 25, 2022, 9:05 PM UTC

The U.K. has serious problems and the article is pretty spot on about it, but the EU has their own problems the articles should be pointing at, especially the right’s relationship with Orban, a figure even more disconnected from pragmatism than the U.K. government. France itself has managed to have the last two presidential elections between _the same two people_. The fact that one of them is literally the head of the French equivalent of the National Front is just icing on the cake.

So yeah, Europe should learn lessons from what’s going on in the U.K., but there’s little evidence they are doing so.

Re: The UK's downturn is a warning for Europe

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Post by xor99 » Thu, Aug 25, 2022, 9:08 PM UTC

blibble wrote: post #9

xor99 wrote: post #5

Earlier quoted context omitted.

Seems like they are annoyed that the Conservatives can't meet the minimun standard requirements for governing a country. Seems accurate on many levels.

from the guidelines at the bottom of the page: > Off-Topic: Most stories about politics a more on-topic place consisting almost entirely of doom-and-gloom stories about the UK would be /r/unitedkingdom

Its economics and politics, a quick scroll through your comments shows lots of commenting on topics involving economics and politics.

People who dismiss different opinions via implication of some kind of "negative vibe man" are not worthy of debate.. sorry.

Re: The UK's downturn is a warning for Europe

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Post by xor99 » Thu, Aug 25, 2022, 9:09 PM UTC

blibble wrote: post #2

poster seems to have... an attachment to posting UK political stories of a particular slant https://news.ycombinator.com/submitted?id=cirrus-clouds

A "negative vibe man" comment. A quick scroll through your comments shows lots of commenting on topics involving economics and politics. Offhand it would be easy to ascribe a "slant" to them. This is in bad faith. Please don't slander a story posted presumably in good faith.

Re: The UK's downturn is a warning for Europe

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Post by blibble » Thu, Aug 25, 2022, 9:17 PM UTC

xor99 wrote: post #14

blibble wrote: post #2

poster seems to have... an attachment to posting UK political stories of a particular slant https://news.ycombinator.com/submitted?id=cirrus-clouds

A "negative vibe man" comment. A quick scroll through your comments shows lots of commenting on topics involving economics and politics. Offhand it would be easy to ascribe a "slant" to them. This is in bad faith. Please don't slander a story posted presumably in good faith.

I've never submitted a political story

commenting on others that have seems fair enough

> This is in bad faith. Please don't slander a story posted presumably in good faith.

this seems way out of line (and deeply ironic)

maybe you can point out where I slandered something?

Re: The UK's downturn is a warning for Europe

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Post by xor99 » Thu, Aug 25, 2022, 9:28 PM UTC

blibble wrote: post #15

xor99 wrote: post #14

Earlier quoted context omitted.

A "negative vibe man" comment. A quick scroll through your comments shows lots of commenting on topics involving economics and politics. Offhand it would be easy to ascribe a "slant" to them. This is in bad faith. Please don't slander a story posted presumably in good faith.

I've never submitted a political story commenting on others that have seems fair enough > This is in bad faith. Please don't slander a story posted presumably in good faith. this seems way out of line (and deeply ironic) maybe you can point out where I slandered something?

You have multiple comments discussing economics, politics of technology, and politics generally. Just look.. they are there.

You are insinuating that this story about politics and economics should not be treated in good faith because the poster is tainted in some way via linking to their comment history. Your post on the other poster's comments seems in bad faith imo. Plus, I find "negative vibe man" comments are not ideal.

Re: The UK's downturn is a warning for Europe

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Post by rich_sasha » Thu, Aug 25, 2022, 9:34 PM UTC

AreYouSirius wrote: post #8

UK voted to leave EU, defacto they voted to become enclave of USA. American influence from Trumps Steve Bannons Cambridge analytica THRU american corporation Facebook led to brexit. so it is what some americans wanted, so now they have it, so go complain to these people britain.

Except the UK has a pending, and serious, issue with the Irish border, which is apparently peeving off Irish American voters. Biden was firing warning shots about this.

But so far there seems no practical compromise that works for UK, Ireland and the EU.

Re: The UK's downturn is a warning for Europe

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Post by al_mandi » Thu, Aug 25, 2022, 9:34 PM UTC

BerislavLopac wrote: post #11

AreYouSirius wrote: post #8

UK voted to leave EU, defacto they voted to become enclave of USA. American influence from Trumps Steve Bannons Cambridge analytica THRU american corporation Facebook led to brexit. so it is what some americans wanted, so now they have it, so go complain to these people britain.

> UK voted to leave EU It did not. A minority of voters voted "yes" in an advisory non-binding referendum. But this result was milked for propaganda purposes to drag the country into a downward spiral, which has been the plan all along.

Who was behind that plan?

Re: The UK's downturn is a warning for Europe

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Post by rich_sasha » Thu, Aug 25, 2022, 9:36 PM UTC

BerislavLopac wrote: post #11

AreYouSirius wrote: post #8

UK voted to leave EU, defacto they voted to become enclave of USA. American influence from Trumps Steve Bannons Cambridge analytica THRU american corporation Facebook led to brexit. so it is what some americans wanted, so now they have it, so go complain to these people britain.

> UK voted to leave EU It did not. A minority of voters voted "yes" in an advisory non-binding referendum. But this result was milked for propaganda purposes to drag the country into a downward spiral, which has been the plan all along.

I mean, a small majority of those who turned up voted to leave, on unspecified terms.

It was crazy if you ask me but it's hard to argue it was against public sentiment.

Re: The UK's downturn is a warning for Europe

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Post by bsder » Thu, Aug 25, 2022, 9:38 PM UTC

Why is this flagged? It's an editorial, and it certainly has a slant, but it seems to be neither lying nor dissembling.

I, for one, had no knowledge of the strikes going on in the UK, and I'm rather more plugged into politics than most.