Still find it incredible the green/blue bubble thing in the US isn’t a joke.
I hope Apple never adopts RCS
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Re: I hope Apple never adopts RCS
#12The SMS/RCS/iMessage/blue bubble-green bubble debate is almost entirely exclusive to the strange market of the US. Almost everywhere else in the world, users have simply adopted a variety of 3rd-party messaging apps that use the phone's Internet rather than GSM connection, like WhatsApp, Telegram, Messenger, Signal, WeChat, etc. EDIT: While I understand the need for a 'universal E2EE messaging standard', we don't hav…
Now, the question is: is that a good thing? SMS is like e-mail - you can have many clients for the same protocol. Don't like your built-in SMS app? Install another one. You can't do that with 3rd-party proprietary siloed communication platforms.
Re: I hope Apple never adopts RCS
#13So those of us who happen to own iPhones, and have friend who have Android devices, and would like to have (e.g.) group chats can go pound sand? Or try to get all of our friends/family to install yet another app?
What is the main argument(s?) against implementing RCS? That it doesn't have E2EE? Neither does SMS, so RCS is no worse in that regard, but seems to have some extra nice things.
Re: I hope Apple never adopts RCS
#14The SMS/RCS/iMessage/blue bubble-green bubble debate is almost entirely exclusive to the strange market of the US. Almost everywhere else in the world, users have simply adopted a variety of 3rd-party messaging apps that use the phone's Internet rather than GSM connection, like WhatsApp, Telegram, Messenger, Signal, WeChat, etc. EDIT: While I understand the need for a 'universal E2EE messaging standard', we don't hav…
Part of reason in for many places outside US. There are no unlimited messages plan. edit: people seems to miss that I said that this is only part of the reason not the reason. I also said many places outside the US (not all). So do people down vote because they think that there are only US and EU in the world? I am missing that point.
Atleast in germany (almost?) every plan has unlimited messages nowadays. Even the cheapest prepaid plan. People still use WhatsApp, Signal, etc., because of media sharing and easy group conversations
Re: I hope Apple never adopts RCS
#15> Adoption
This is a chicken and egg argument.
> Security > Prerequisites
Both of these arguments rest on the assumption that RCS replaces iMessage. That's not the point. The data is already unencrypted. You already need a paid phone number. The benefit is that two large groups of users' devices that interact poorly today interact better with RCS. Google isn't asking Whatsapp or Signal to implement RCS, it doesn't make sense that they'd expect Apple to shut down their proprietary service to use a less-featurefull option instead.
Re: I hope Apple never adopts RCS
#16The SMS/RCS/iMessage/blue bubble-green bubble debate is almost entirely exclusive to the strange market of the US. Almost everywhere else in the world, users have simply adopted a variety of 3rd-party messaging apps that use the phone's Internet rather than GSM connection, like WhatsApp, Telegram, Messenger, Signal, WeChat, etc. EDIT: While I understand the need for a 'universal E2EE messaging standard', we don't hav…
Part of reason in for many places outside US. There are no unlimited messages plan. edit: people seems to miss that I said that this is only part of the reason not the reason. I also said many places outside the US (not all). So do people down vote because they think that there are only US and EU in the world? I am missing that point.
That's not true, unlimited SMS have been a thing for at least 15 years in Europe, well before WhatsApp became popular. In my experience, people switched to WhatsApp because of group chats and images (MMS were expensive).
Re: I hope Apple never adopts RCS
#17Still find it incredible the green/blue bubble thing in the US isn’t a joke.
I always thought it was a Joke/Meme. I saw it come up years ago on 4chan, but now it's everywhere.
Re: I hope Apple never adopts RCS
#18The SMS/RCS/iMessage/blue bubble-green bubble debate is almost entirely exclusive to the strange market of the US. Almost everywhere else in the world, users have simply adopted a variety of 3rd-party messaging apps that use the phone's Internet rather than GSM connection, like WhatsApp, Telegram, Messenger, Signal, WeChat, etc. EDIT: While I understand the need for a 'universal E2EE messaging standard', we don't hav…
I really hope that interoperability between (some of) these platforms, mandated by EU, will actually come true. Thing is, SMS is ancient technology, but it does work everywhere, on any kind of device, even on the dumbest one. All the other 3-rd party apps are (a) requiring an Internet connection to work, which most people have, but some don't, having limited data plans or prepaid accounts where data is way too expensive to use, and (b) they can only communicate with their own users, exactly like iMessage.
Re: I hope Apple never adopts RCS
#19Still find it incredible the green/blue bubble thing in the US isn’t a joke.
Apparently teens in the US judge each other by the colour of their message bubbles [0].
I don't know if this is merely immaturity, or sheer vapidness.
[0]: https://www.wsj.com/articles/why-apples-imessage-is-winning-... (paywalled)
Re: I hope Apple never adopts RCS
#20Still find it incredible the green/blue bubble thing in the US isn’t a joke.
It is for 80% of people. I am already mid 30s, but I assume the only people who care are young people who use it as an in group vs out group signifier. Which, if not green and blue chats, would be something else.
Everyone else simply uses WhatsApp if everyone does not have iMessage.