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Some more information on what happened: https://globalnews.ca/news/9048763/trans-woman-twitch-stream... This is the same group of trolls connected with the death of the emulator developer Near a year ago: https://news.ycombinator.com/item?id=27652814

> This is the same group of trolls connected with the death of the emulator developer Near a year ago: https://news.ycombinator.com/item?id=27652814 Wasn't this proven to be a hoax?

Proof?

Re: SWATed streamer Keffals to organise protest in front of Cloudflare SF office

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I think that tweet from Keffals was incredibly irresponsible and she was right in deleting it.

I think trying to get Cloudflare to stop supporting Kiwifarms is good.

You don't have to either deem a person purely good or purely bad, you can agree with some things they do and disagree with other things. It's not that hard.

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> This is the same group of trolls connected with the death of the emulator developer Near a year ago: https://news.ycombinator.com/item?id=27652814 Wasn't this proven to be a hoax?

Proof?

There were no American expats who committed suicide during the time that Near supposedly took his life.

Re: SWATed streamer Keffals to organise protest in front of Cloudflare SF office

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I would pay to hear eastdakota try to rationalize why protecting KF is a net good for the world. He professes to be a free speech absolutist, which is how they justified protecting controversial sites like The Daily Stormer and 8chan, but the purpose of KF is simply to harm specific, usually non-notable people through relentless doxxing (leading to relentless harassment or worse) usually only justified by them being…

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The specifics of how Keffals behaves or what she has or hasn't done are basically irrelevant, because KF would have done exactly the same things to her regardless of any of those factors. Being a prominent trans person online means there is a significant chance of your home address being posted on KF for absolutely no reason other than you're a prominent trans person online.

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Proof?

There were no American expats who committed suicide during the time that Near supposedly took his life.

The list doesn't appear to be exhaustive. https://news.ycombinator.com/item?id=29066186

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I would pay to hear eastdakota try to rationalize why protecting KF is a net good for the world. He professes to be a free speech absolutist, which is how they justified protecting controversial sites like The Daily Stormer and 8chan, but the purpose of KF is simply to harm specific, usually non-notable people through relentless doxxing (leading to relentless harassment or worse) usually only justified by them being…

>I would pay to hear eastdakota try to rationalize why protecting KF is a net good for the world.

Let me try. KF is a place to archive the publicly-posted online antics of people who willingly publish said antics to the internet. Interacting with the subject of a thread is against the rules and anyone bragging about doing so is banned. If you dislike the idea of people making fun of you for your actions, don't broadcast them to the internet.

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> This is the same group of trolls connected with the death of the emulator developer Near a year ago: https://news.ycombinator.com/item?id=27652814 Wasn't this proven to be a hoax?

Proof?

It's a bit strange that the burden of proof is on people contesting allegations about an anonymous person. As far as I can tell the original claim has no proof whatsoever.

That said, after digging into this a bit more it seems that the most credible proof he didn't commit suicide is that the U.S. State Department has no record of it. They allegedly killed themselves in June but according to government records no US citizen died of suicide in Japan in June. https://travel.state.gov/content/travel/en/international-tra...

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I would pay to hear eastdakota try to rationalize why protecting KF is a net good for the world. He professes to be a free speech absolutist, which is how they justified protecting controversial sites like The Daily Stormer and 8chan, but the purpose of KF is simply to harm specific, usually non-notable people through relentless doxxing (leading to relentless harassment or worse) usually only justified by them being…

>I would pay to hear eastdakota try to rationalize why protecting KF is a net good for the world. Let me try. KF is a place to archive the publicly-posted online antics of people who willingly publish said antics to the internet. Interacting with the subject of a thread is against the rules and anyone bragging about doing so is banned. If you dislike the idea of people making fun of you for your actions, don't broadc…

You and I both know why details like home addresses and phone numbers are documented by KF threads. Interacting being against the rules is basic ass-covering, there's no reason for details like those to be posted unless the intent is for someone to harass them, whether that person is a KF user who knows not to admit it, or a drive-by reader who found the thread on Google.

Nobody is buying the line that KF is a purely passive observer, when drawing their attention is so strongly correlated with receiving harassment, or that they only observe intentionally published information, when they scoop up so much obviously private information like addresses and deadnames.

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There were no American expats who committed suicide during the time that Near supposedly took his life.

The list doesn't appear to be exhaustive. https://news.ycombinator.com/item?id=29066186

> There are 50k US citizens in Japan - none dying for months seems impossible

As far as I can tell that claim is purely based on speculation. It's possible that the death wasn't reported, or was somehow reported as "natural". However, it's impossible to know due to the lack of any basic information. (And I think improbable that Japan, of all places, would screw up the paperwork.)

Not to detract from the overall point — I think there are many reasons to dislike Kiwi Farms — but making dubious claims muddies the water.

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