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I'm 30. The Sexual Revolution Shackled My Generation

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Re: I'm 30. The Sexual Revolution Shackled My Generation

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"All girls and women [...] should avoid being alone with men they don’t know" I guess the default setting for my gender is 'predator'..

The author views are heavily tainted by her career: “I spent my entire professional life working on the issue of male violence against women—first in a rape crisis center, and later as a journalist and a media relations director for a legal campaign against sexual violence.” It’s easy to assume all men are predators when that’s the reality you face every day.

Re: I'm 30. The Sexual Revolution Shackled My Generation

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Earlier quoted context omitted.

The last one is a serious problem in most Western countries. As the society gets older, there are fewer people who can work and actually sustain the rest of the population.

Fewer babies are the results of the disastrous labour, wages and housing policies in the west, making having a family and a home super expensive for young couples, so everyone spends the prime of their fertility studying and slaving away at shitty stressful jobs hoping to get a leg up in this insane economy. Baby boomer made tons of babies because housing was cheap, and stable jobs requiring minimal education were pl…

It's a longer term trend than even the "sexual revolution". My grandparents generation had plenty of families with 5-10 kids.

My parents generation had 2.5 kids, mostly in their mid to late 20s.

My generation will maybe start thinking about kids at 30.

You could maybe argue that women in the workforce is a social change that contributed to this, as one thing that did change at the beginning of this trend, but surely this as much a fault of the incentives of capitalism turning "Women can work now" to "All working age adults must work, no more stay-at-home parents". Casual relationships, LGBT acceptance, etc. are much later than this trend starting.

Re: I'm 30. The Sexual Revolution Shackled My Generation

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post #5

This seems like such an inherently christian viewpoint. It starts by stating as an axiom that the following are inherently bad: >porn >hook-up culture >fewer marriages >fewer babies These seem neutral to positive to me as someone not mired in christian morality.

The last one is a serious problem in most Western countries. As the society gets older, there are fewer people who can work and actually sustain the rest of the population.

A rich society has a billion existing options to fix this "problem".

Given the collective psychopathy of the majority, an immigrant has to be free and employable on day one to be acceptable while a state can pay the minimum it has to for a child but should be calculating how to make the child's parents suckers. If it goes over board on this calculation, working age population declines decades later which is politically very acceptable.

Re: I'm 30. The Sexual Revolution Shackled My Generation

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Earlier quoted context omitted.

The last one is a serious problem in most Western countries. As the society gets older, there are fewer people who can work and actually sustain the rest of the population.

Fewer babies are the results of the disastrous labour, wages and housing policies in the west, making having a family and a home super expensive for young couples, so everyone spends the prime of their fertility studying and slaving away at shitty stressful jobs hoping to get a leg up in this insane economy. Baby boomer made tons of babies because housing was cheap, and stable jobs requiring minimal education were pl…

Surprisingly, it isn’t. Accounting for societal factors like the sexual evolution and the cost of living, researchers have found that the culprit is something else. Researchers found that starting in the 1950s, male fertility has been on a consecutive year after year decline in countries where enough industrialization has taken place. So far proposed culprits range from PFAS or endocrine disrupters like BPA, but there’s no definitive conclusion yet

Re: I'm 30. The Sexual Revolution Shackled My Generation

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I joked to a younger friend who goes on about boomers, that boomers ruined the economy and millennials ruined sex. He agreed.

Romanticism died in the mid-2010s. Being the knight who ventures into the world for the ideal love no longer works. The "bolt of lightning" style love is not enough to overcome economic and social pressures, people want more security in arranged and strategic marriages.

People who commit to a lust-driven lifestyle make tradeoffs on how they relate to potential partners. Porn has exploded and soaked up all the excess desire. People are working way too much to get time off to meet people and frequently compromise in exploring romantic connections at work.

Dating apps have turned dating into an image game and made a party lifestyle trivially easy. A lot of people have become cogs in a dating machine.

What makes people desirable in a relationship hasn't changed, it's just become way easier to give away what makes it work.

Finding desirable partners is much more difficult when everybody is falling for worldly errors. We need Christ to clean up sex. Star Wars is done, time for Sex Wars.

Re: I'm 30. The Sexual Revolution Shackled My Generation

#17

Blame the apps. None of this would be possible if it weren't for tinder and friends making hook up culture a thing. I would bet dollars to donuts that the folks thriving in this environment would not have the confidence to do the same thing in person.

Too easy to blame the apps IMO, although they're certainly making things worse. I went to college just before dating apps became ubiquitous and from my experience hookup culture was as much a thing as it is now, only people would first drink their inhibitions into submission before making bad decisions.

If I had to take a (very uneducated) guess I'd say as a society we're currently experiencing an epidemic of unhappiness, especially amongst young people, and what the article describes is just one of many symptoms.

Re: I'm 30. The Sexual Revolution Shackled My Generation

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The issues in this article are no excuse to back peddle or react with fear, if anything I see them as reasons to continue forward, keep the good, address the bad and keep moving.

This read like one long rant from my mother in law that starts with "I'm not racists, but Mexicans..." Except it's June Cleaver saying "I'm a feminist, but she was asking for it in that dress"

Re: I'm 30. The Sexual Revolution Shackled My Generation

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post #5

This seems like such an inherently christian viewpoint. It starts by stating as an axiom that the following are inherently bad: >porn >hook-up culture >fewer marriages >fewer babies These seem neutral to positive to me as someone not mired in christian morality.

That is really the authors point. These things that the sexual revolution told us were “neutral to positive” and would bring freedom and lasting happiness ended up not being true. The author mentions the studies that have born this out, as well as many peoples experiences the author relates.

Re: I'm 30. The Sexual Revolution Shackled My Generation

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Earlier quoted context omitted.

Fewer babies are the results of the disastrous labour, wages and housing policies in the west, making having a family and a home super expensive for young couples, so everyone spends the prime of their fertility studying and slaving away at shitty stressful jobs hoping to get a leg up in this insane economy. Baby boomer made tons of babies because housing was cheap, and stable jobs requiring minimal education were pl…

Surprisingly, it isn’t. Accounting for societal factors like the sexual evolution and the cost of living, researchers have found that the culprit is something else. Researchers found that starting in the 1950s, male fertility has been on a consecutive year after year decline in countries where enough industrialization has taken place. So far proposed culprits range from PFAS or endocrine disrupters like BPA, but ther…

I don't know about others, but in my circles very few couples don't have kids because they can't. Most of the time the decision not to have (another) baby is related to external factors such as high and rising costs of doing so.
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