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Michael Jordan: “Republicans Buy Sneakers Too”

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Re: Michael Jordan: “Republicans Buy Sneakers Too”

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Post by mikkergp »

theonething wrote: post #9
mikkergp wrote: post #2

> A series of surveys suggests that people who identify as conservative are more likely to want to do this by buying products marketed as “better,” while liberals are more drawn to messaging that emphasizes that the product is “different.”” this is interesting. I would be more drawn to messaging on "different", but mostly because I wouldn't trust a company to be an impartial judge on what is "better" - I would look t…

I'm also wary of messaging about being "better." But if the marketing shows why it's better in concrete and logical ways, that might pique my interest more than without it. I'd still look to outside sources to verify.

Yeah I guess “has a 1420mAh battery instead of 1200 mAh” battery would be statement of “better” if you didn’t want to get overly pedantic.

Re: Michael Jordan: “Republicans Buy Sneakers Too”

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Post by Barrin92 »

The positive framing of this phenomenon is strange. Someone muting his criticism against an open segregationist because his voters buy sneakers is probably one of the more cartoonish examples of market logic and self-interest crowding out people's values.

And I mean this even in a value neutral sense in regards to the topic itself. It's as if a devout Christian would start selling abortion pills or a pacifist became an arms dealer.

When the article uses the phrase 'tribalism' it seems to me they just mean 'political'. People have started to prioritize values over economic calculus again after the monoculture of the 90s, which this kind of a thing was a product of.

Re: Michael Jordan: “Republicans Buy Sneakers Too”

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Post by roflyear »

deepdriver wrote: post #8

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Sounds like you got a persecution complex if you believe whites are receiving any real hostility in the US. But comments like this don't surprise me anymore on HN. HN is surprisingly conservative. I guess lots of rich white people here, and lots of people who want to be a rich white person.

Re: Michael Jordan: “Republicans Buy Sneakers Too”

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Post by sky_rw »

jayd16 wrote: post #10
deepdriver wrote: post #8

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What increased enmity are you referring to? Similar to the War on Christmas and other talking points, I never experience any of this.

Look no further than the rest of the comments on this post explaining how Jordan was wrong.

Re: Michael Jordan: “Republicans Buy Sneakers Too”

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Post by zmgsabst »

Barrin92 wrote: post #13

The positive framing of this phenomenon is strange. Someone muting his criticism against an open segregationist because his voters buy sneakers is probably one of the more cartoonish examples of market logic and self-interest crowding out people's values. And I mean this even in a value neutral sense in regards to the topic itself. It's as if a devout Christian would start selling abortion pills or a pacifist became…

I don’t think that’s true — there’s second order effects in play, beyond shallow virtue signaling.

People respect Jordan unlike Kapernick or James, because Jordan didn’t hypocritically involve himself in politics — unlike those two who haven been outspoken against racism and slavery… except for the slaves making the shoes they advertise. They’re perfectly fine profiting from those slaves.

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I also think your example is ridiculous: not vocally criticizing is nothing like actively participating.

Re: Michael Jordan: “Republicans Buy Sneakers Too”

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Post by munk-a »

roflyear wrote: post #14
deepdriver wrote: post #8

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Sounds like you got a persecution complex if you believe whites are receiving any real hostility in the US. But comments like this don't surprise me anymore on HN. HN is surprisingly conservative. I guess lots of rich white people here, and lots of people who want to be a rich white person.

The correct response to flamebait on HN is always just to flag it and move on.

This isn't Reddit - just elect the thread for removal to keep the conversation productive and healthy.

Re: Michael Jordan: “Republicans Buy Sneakers Too”

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Post by alex_young »

zmgsabst wrote: post #17
Barrin92 wrote: post #13

The positive framing of this phenomenon is strange. Someone muting his criticism against an open segregationist because his voters buy sneakers is probably one of the more cartoonish examples of market logic and self-interest crowding out people's values. And I mean this even in a value neutral sense in regards to the topic itself. It's as if a devout Christian would start selling abortion pills or a pacifist became…

I don’t think that’s true — there’s second order effects in play, beyond shallow virtue signaling. People respect Jordan unlike Kapernick or James, because Jordan didn’t hypocritically involve himself in politics — unlike those two who haven been outspoken against racism and slavery… except for the slaves making the shoes they advertise. They’re perfectly fine profiting from those slaves. - - - - - I also think your…

Just to paraphrase a bit, are you suggesting that any athlete with any merchandise is hypocritical for stating any socially progressive opinion? That seems like a very rigid standard IMO.

Re: Michael Jordan: “Republicans Buy Sneakers Too”

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Post by deepdriver »

jayd16 wrote: post #10
deepdriver wrote: post #8

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What increased enmity are you referring to? Similar to the War on Christmas and other talking points, I never experience any of this.

Official hate speech policies and enforcement patterns on Reddit, Facebook and Twitter explicitly allow racist speech that targets whites. Facebook:

https://reason.com/volokh/2020/12/07/facebook-discriminating...

>In the first phase of the project, which was announced internally to a small group in October, engineers said they had changed the company's systems to deprioritize policing contemptuous comments about "whites," "men" and "Americans." Facebook still considers such attacks to be hate speech, and users can still report it to the company. However, the company's technology now treats them as "low-sensitivity"—or less likely to be harmful—so that they are no longer automatically deleted by the company's algorithms.

Twitter's stated policies are better, but they allow this kind of slander in practice:

https://twitter.com/AyannaPressley/status/129878054043122483...

Reddit:

https://reclaimthenet.org/reddit-hate-speech-majority-groups...

>While the rule on hate protects such groups, it does not protect all groups or all forms of identity. For example, the rule does not protect groups of people who are in the majority

Historically, Reddit in particular hosted extremely hateful subreddits against black people and other minorities. It seems they decided to correct this by inverting rather than eliminating racial bias. This is not a long-term recipe for social cohesion.

For anecdata, see most online media of the past ten years:

https://pbs.twimg.com/media/FacehMiXEAAAO9d?format=jpg&name=...

University professors like Rutger's Brittney Cooper saying "I think that white people are committed to being villains in the aggregate", and "we got to take these motherf-ckers out:"

https://nypost.com/2021/10/29/rutgers-professor-calls-white-...

That was a year ago, she still has her job and none but conservative outlets seemed to care:

https://africanastudies.rutgers.edu/faculty-mainmenu-134/cor...

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