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Browser password managers – flawed security, by design

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Re: Browser password managers – flawed security, by design

#11
This is a bad bad article, the advice is dated and the counter-arguments are well known and oft-discussed by anyone who's actually in the security community.

The author / website does seem to be offering services in the security industry, but they seem compliance-focused rather than security-focused (compliance is a component of security). So likely offering legal & administrative expertise rather than technical.

Re: Browser password managers – flawed security, by design

#12
If your home directory is readable or writable by anyone other than you, you're compromised in a dozen more important ways, even though this is of very high importance. Your home directory's security is an axiom. It's not true, no, in the same way that there were once upon a time remote exploitable worms in major http frameworks but we don't question that a webserver doesn't allow remote-code-execution - it's the wrong layer of abstraction.

Even encrypting the browser's data store at the application level is misguided and probably pointless - Anything that can read the browser's files is going to read the encryption key just as well . Anything that can read the browser's files when running as you is probably going to pop up an identical looking "Enter Password" prompt and will have the right timing and permissions to enter it into the browser once it's been leaked. Gui frameworks are not designed to protect the user from malicious applications.

Android actually handles this much better - Applications (Rather, developers) are given their own user id, and so separation of files between apps is enforced at the OS level. Some level of this is why everyone has moved to Docker on the server, too.

Re: Browser password managers – flawed security, by design

#14
Lot of critical reactions, maybe deserved. Some saying master password is not all that important. I notice that with Firefox Sync that means knowing the unlock swipe of your Android is all that's needed to view passwords in plain text via the Settings UI when you lose your phone or someone peeks in it on an unguarded moment.

Re: Browser password managers – flawed security, by design

#16
The new Hell I'm experiencing is everyone wanting to validate my identity through my phone. Email does it, banking does it, I suspect by the end of the year Windows will probably be sending me a code before I can log in. I'm sick of it. I don't like needing to have my phone on me, I don't like the fear that if I lose my phone I'll be locked out of everything, and I really don't like being forced into this.

It feels like there's a lot of fear around passwords right now. I'm sure companies see them as a liability and are eager to move away from them as soon as possible. Are we going to have a future where each person (or identity) has a single hardware token for all logins? I don't think we're anywhere close to that yet.

Re: Browser password managers – flawed security, by design

#17
Or you could report this as a security bug on those browsers.

This vulnerability does not exist in Safari on any platform: macOS, iOS, or windows. Admittedly in the last case because it is alas dead :D

I would have assumed that on macOS Firefox and Chrome use the platform APIs that support secure storage of data, and would absolutely consider this to be a security bug if not.

Re: Browser password managers – flawed security, by design

#18
post #16

The new Hell I'm experiencing is everyone wanting to validate my identity through my phone. Email does it, banking does it, I suspect by the end of the year Windows will probably be sending me a code before I can log in. I'm sick of it. I don't like needing to have my phone on me, I don't like the fear that if I lose my phone I'll be locked out of everything, and I really don't like being forced into this. It feels l…

I switched to Google Voice after changing my phone number a couple of times and going through the 2fa replacement hell.

Re: Browser password managers – flawed security, by design

#19
post #7

This is a bunch of silly hand-wringing. I guarantee that if browsers required creating and memorizing and typing a master password all the time, users would be less secure overall. Because people simply wouldn't use the annoying password manager. Using a password manager without a master password is way more secure than not using a password manager at all. If you are a business and you want your employees to be secur…

> You need hardware second factor tokens.

The recent targeted phishing attacks against Twilio and Cloudflare made this abundantly clear. Twilio didn't use hardware tokens and was hacked. Cloudflare reported they had 3 users who entered their username and password into the phishing site, but since all of their employees use hardware keys, they weren't hacked.

Re: Browser password managers – flawed security, by design

#20
If filesystem access is a legitimate concern, you have bigger problems. Even if passwords were secured by FIDO or similar, session tokens are not.

If you compromise a computer, you can compromise web sessions. There is no mitigation for this. Shame on the author for attempting to create panic when far more productive security can be achieved elsewhere.

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