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FBI Searches Trump’s Home in Florida

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Re: FBI Searches Trump’s Home in Florida

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Post by Doubtme »

koolba wrote: post #6
bediger4000 wrote: post #5

Earlier quoted context omitted.

January 6 wasn't enough? Just for fun, what would convince you? "Profound wrong" is a great phrase, but what specifically?

> January 6 wasn't enough? And what exactly is his alleged crime or wrongdoing? Here’s the full transcript from his speech that day: https://www.npr.org/2021/02/10/966396848/read-trumps-jan-6-s... Here’s a sample (emphasis mine): > I know that everyone here will soon be marching over to the Capitol building to peacefully and patriotically make your voices heard.

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Re: FBI Searches Trump’s Home in Florida

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Post by kccoder »

koolba wrote: post #10
d23 wrote: post #7

Earlier quoted context omitted.

Watch the January 6th hearings if there is any doubt in your mind. The evidence is laid out quite clearly.

> Watch the January 6th hearings if there is any doubt in your mind. The evidence is laid out quite clearly. If you can’t even summarize a crime in one sentence then it’s anything but “quite clear”.

His call to Georgia asking them to "find" the precise number of votes to overturn Joe Biden's win in that state is probably the lowest hanging fruit.

That being said, based on the reporting, this search warrant appears to be related to the fifteen boxes of material that were inappropriately taken from the White House. If he were charged and convicted of crimes related to that he would potentially be barred from ever holding public office again.

edit: details on the related statute => https://twitter.com/marceelias/status/1556794749377454080

Re: FBI Searches Trump’s Home in Florida

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Post by anigbrowl »

notch656a wrote: post #9

I strongly believe there is probable cause to be found that Trump committed crimes, but I can't help but ask if these hunts against former presidents are positive for the future peace and prosperity of America.

South Korea seems to be doing OK despite being ahead of the US in this particular domain.

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Post by anigbrowl »

dukeofdoom wrote: post #8
bediger4000 wrote: post #5

Earlier quoted context omitted.

January 6 wasn't enough? Just for fun, what would convince you? "Profound wrong" is a great phrase, but what specifically?

Quoted post unavailable.

Why wouldn't you, if you had solid evidence they'd committed a crime? In this case it's a search rather than an arrest warrant, but if the warrant is valid and the search turns up the very materials described therein, where is the problem?

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Post by rvz »

koolba wrote: post #10
d23 wrote: post #7

Earlier quoted context omitted.

Watch the January 6th hearings if there is any doubt in your mind. The evidence is laid out quite clearly.

> Watch the January 6th hearings if there is any doubt in your mind. The evidence is laid out quite clearly. If you can’t even summarize a crime in one sentence then it’s anything but “quite clear”.

Even when asked, they cannot even cite the so-called 'evidence' that is laid out 'clearly'.

Assuming they have watched the so-called 'J6 hearings', it should be quite straightforward and easy to do so, but ever since they have started the hearings they have been struggling to mention a crime and summarize it in a single sentence.

Which leads me to believe that they haven't watched it at all or have read only as far as the headlines of mainstream media articles (clipping and cutting out the hearings) to fit their headlines for extra clicks.

Re: FBI Searches Trump’s Home in Florida

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Post by bediger4000 »

koolba wrote: post #10
d23 wrote: post #7

Earlier quoted context omitted.

Watch the January 6th hearings if there is any doubt in your mind. The evidence is laid out quite clearly.

> Watch the January 6th hearings if there is any doubt in your mind. The evidence is laid out quite clearly. If you can’t even summarize a crime in one sentence then it’s anything but “quite clear”.

Say it with me: "Trump tried to stay in power via a violent coup."

Re: FBI Searches Trump’s Home in Florida

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Post by bediger4000 »

dukeofdoom wrote: post #8
bediger4000 wrote: post #5

Earlier quoted context omitted.

January 6 wasn't enough? Just for fun, what would convince you? "Profound wrong" is a great phrase, but what specifically?

Quoted post unavailable.

I'd say that if they have probable cause, and they almost certainly do, this is heartening evidence of the rule of law, not weakness.

Re: FBI Searches Trump’s Home in Florida

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Post by anigbrowl »

@dang, while this is getting flagged because the nature of the story is contentious, I think it's absolutely legit for HN given that it's exceptionally newsworthy (as an unprecedented event), sits at the intersection of privacy vs police power (a perennial topic on HN), and raises questions about the consistency of the legal system (ditto).

Also, it's just going to keep getting posted if people keep trying to flag it out of existence.

Re: FBI Searches Trump’s Home in Florida

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Post by koolba »

kccoder wrote: post #12
koolba wrote: post #10

Earlier quoted context omitted.

> Watch the January 6th hearings if there is any doubt in your mind. The evidence is laid out quite clearly. If you can’t even summarize a crime in one sentence then it’s anything but “quite clear”.

His call to Georgia asking them to "find" the precise number of votes to overturn Joe Biden's win in that state is probably the lowest hanging fruit. That being said, based on the reporting, this search warrant appears to be related to the fifteen boxes of material that were inappropriately taken from the White House. If he were charged and convicted of crimes related to that he would potentially be barred from ever…

> His call to Georgia asking them to "find" the precise number of votes to overturn Joe Biden's win in that state is probably the lowest hanging fruit.

Here’s the whole transcript from the conversation: https://www.washingtonpost.com/politics/trump-raffensperger-...

He opens by saying he believes there is a large amount of fraudulent mail in ballots that would not match the signatures on record. And he keeps asking the Secretary of State to look into it as he expects to find substantial fraud.

The “find me…” line is further down where he is saying the total number needed to change the result. He never asks for anyone to change votes or the results. He asks them to look into it because he believes there’s fraud.

If there was anything remotely criminal in that conversation they’d have already charged him.

> That being said, based on the reporting, this search warrant appears to be related to the fifteen boxes of material that were inappropriately taken from the White House. If he were charged and convicted of crimes related to that he would potentially be barred from ever holding public office again.

That’s the dream but I think they’d settle for two more years of sham hearings to try to damage him as a candidate. Anything to distract from failings of the current administration.

Re: FBI Searches Trump’s Home in Florida

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Post by dekhn »

koolba wrote: post #6
bediger4000 wrote: post #5

Earlier quoted context omitted.

January 6 wasn't enough? Just for fun, what would convince you? "Profound wrong" is a great phrase, but what specifically?

> January 6 wasn't enough? And what exactly is his alleged crime or wrongdoing? Here’s the full transcript from his speech that day: https://www.npr.org/2021/02/10/966396848/read-trumps-jan-6-s... Here’s a sample (emphasis mine): > I know that everyone here will soon be marching over to the Capitol building to peacefully and patriotically make your voices heard.

It's unlikely Trump will be prosecuted or convicted by DOJ for his actions on January 6th- except, he will be convicted (by history) for being exceptionally irresponsible. There are several personal lawsuits against Trump

There are a number of other things (which other people replying have shown) that are more likely to lead to an actual conviction. https://www.justsecurity.org/75032/litigation-tracker-pendin... and https://www.businessinsider.com/donald-trump-key-cases-civil... cover those.

That would include the Georgia AG's investigation, NY AG's investigation, and the National Archives investigation, all of which have shown credible evidence that Trump (personally, or his direct agents) carried out illegal activities.

On a personal note, I think regardless of whatever the law does to Trump, it's pretty clear at this point that he attempted to be a dictator who subverted law and common sense on advice from crazies, trying to illegally seize control of the United States instead of carrying out a legitimate transition of power. And we were able to avert it mainly because there are enough people working in the government who have the ethics to ignore their personal politics and carry out the necessary steps for a legitimate transition of power.

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