Looking for an informed opinion; what are the practical consequences for European companies using American cloud providers (which I guess is most of them) ?
Usage of EU subsidiaries of US cloud providers deemed unlawful by German court
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Re: Usage of EU subsidiaries of US cloud providers deemed unlawful by German court
#12Isn’t this sort of what we accuse the Chinese of doing? The US designs the technology and then the Chinese manufacturers steal that design to make their own? Except now, the EU is more or less forcing American companies to sell unaffiliated spin-offs to the EU to continue doing business there. Seems a bit underhanded to change the rules now after so long, especially considering the fact that the EU can’t make these c…
No?
This is the obvious outcome of the US government’s repeated and explicit statement that non-US residents do not have any due process rights and thus no warrant requirements, followed by - when companies tried to compensate for this abuse by creating subsidiaries in the EU - stating that the US government also had access to all subsidiaries data, again with no due process protections.
What did the US government think would happen when they made it clear that no US company could provide due process protections for any EU data that they possessed?
This has nothing to do with the “IP theft”, but rather the inability of US companies to comply with universally applicable EU law.
Re: Usage of EU subsidiaries of US cloud providers deemed unlawful by German court
#13Isn’t this sort of what we accuse the Chinese of doing? The US designs the technology and then the Chinese manufacturers steal that design to make their own? Except now, the EU is more or less forcing American companies to sell unaffiliated spin-offs to the EU to continue doing business there. Seems a bit underhanded to change the rules now after so long, especially considering the fact that the EU can’t make these c…
Those US companies are free to not be on the EU market, just saying
This sword cuts both ways. US can also stop sales of Airbuses, Volkswagens, IKEA furniture etc. under some fishy premise. If EU does that to US companies, why shouldn’t US do it to EU ones? This kind of tit for tat trade war would be a loss to everyone compared to cooperation, but is still preferred to cooperating with a defector.
Re: Usage of EU subsidiaries of US cloud providers deemed unlawful by German court
#14Does anyone know the Company A and Company B in the question? Microsoft?
AFAIK public procurement documents are often public.
Re: Usage of EU subsidiaries of US cloud providers deemed unlawful by German court
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This is germany still, not the whole of the EU. But it does show how an all-reaching law like gdpr can have stramge consequences…
isn't the crux of the matter the all-reaching laws of the US that allows their intelligence agencies to order EU-subsidiaries of US companies to offer up their data..?
I would be frankly shocked if EU countries did not have the same laws on the book. If German court serves Volkswagen AG a warrant for data kept by Volkswagen America, can Volkswagen AG just not comply?
Re: Usage of EU subsidiaries of US cloud providers deemed unlawful by German court
#16Isn’t this sort of what we accuse the Chinese of doing? The US designs the technology and then the Chinese manufacturers steal that design to make their own? Except now, the EU is more or less forcing American companies to sell unaffiliated spin-offs to the EU to continue doing business there. Seems a bit underhanded to change the rules now after so long, especially considering the fact that the EU can’t make these c…
Those US companies are free to not be on the EU market, just saying
Sorry to be so blunt but every EU competitor sucks ass. So if the EU has it their way, it is us Europeans the ones getting fucked.
Re: Usage of EU subsidiaries of US cloud providers deemed unlawful by German court
#17Isn’t this sort of what we accuse the Chinese of doing? The US designs the technology and then the Chinese manufacturers steal that design to make their own? Except now, the EU is more or less forcing American companies to sell unaffiliated spin-offs to the EU to continue doing business there. Seems a bit underhanded to change the rules now after so long, especially considering the fact that the EU can’t make these c…
Honestly, nationally-owned spin-offs aren't an issue. If that's all that doing business with China entailed, I think people wouldn't be so mad, but unfortunately there are other practical and moral compromises needed. The EU may be challenging in certain ways, but at least they play by their rulebook and champion public interest a lot of the time.
Re: Usage of EU subsidiaries of US cloud providers deemed unlawful by German court
#18Isn’t this sort of what we accuse the Chinese of doing? The US designs the technology and then the Chinese manufacturers steal that design to make their own? Except now, the EU is more or less forcing American companies to sell unaffiliated spin-offs to the EU to continue doing business there. Seems a bit underhanded to change the rules now after so long, especially considering the fact that the EU can’t make these c…
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Re: Usage of EU subsidiaries of US cloud providers deemed unlawful by German court
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FWIW I live in Europe now and am enjoying it XD, but I still call a spade a spade.
I just hope Germany pulls its head of its ass before it supports China's ascension to global supremacy. We told them not to overly rely on Russian gas for like 40 years but ¯\_(ツ)_/¯
Re: Usage of EU subsidiaries of US cloud providers deemed unlawful by German court
#20US needs to economically retaliate in kind. If the US has the same data protections as the EU they’d make up some other excuse to attack US companies. This is what happens when you can’t compete you make up regulatory excuses.
I’m sure I’ll get downvoted by Europeans but it’s the truth. Look at the valuable companies and where they are located :)