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Skin exposure to UVB light induces a skin-brain-gonad axis and sexual behavior

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Re: Skin exposure to UVB light induces a skin-brain-gonad axis and sexual behavior

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Implying that a primary causal factor for globally-declining birth rates could be... increased adoption of sunscreen, leading to decreases in libido? (I'm only half-joking; the countries that are most obsessed with keeping skin white — and so are likely the highest sunscreen users — are also the countries with the lowest birth rates.)

> the countries that are most obsessed with keeping skin white — and so are likely the highest sunscreen users Isn't it rather more about avoiding skin cancer?

There are a whole host of benefits associated with sun exposure that are reduced by wearing sunscreen.

“Avoidance of sun exposure is a risk factor of a similar magnitude as smoking, in terms of life expectancy.”

https://www.outsideonline.com/health/wellness/sunscreen-sun-...

Re: Skin exposure to UVB light induces a skin-brain-gonad axis and sexual behavior

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post #9

Question: how does sunscreen affect these outcome ? I have been in a UV-high indexed area for over 2hrs a day under sun and wondered if applying sunscreen everyday as I have to exposed parts such as arms and legs have negative consequences since all of them have benzene. Now this seems to be another reason for not doing so?

Not directly answering your question but related: "early sunscreen formulations were disastrous, shielding users from the UVB rays that cause sunburn but not the UVA rays that cause skin cancer. Even today, SPF ratings refer only to UVB rays, so many users may be absorbing far more UVA radiation than they realize." https://www.outsideonline.com/health/wellness/sunscreen-sun-...

How can you know if it does both? Look for UVA on the bottle?

Re: Skin exposure to UVB light induces a skin-brain-gonad axis and sexual behavior

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post #3

Implying that a primary causal factor for globally-declining birth rates could be... increased adoption of sunscreen, leading to decreases in libido? (I'm only half-joking; the countries that are most obsessed with keeping skin white — and so are likely the highest sunscreen users — are also the countries with the lowest birth rates.)

> (I'm only half-joking; the countries that are most obsessed with keeping skin white — and so are likely the highest sunscreen users — are also the countries with the lowest birth rates.) Obsession with keeping skin white is not something I normally see associated with South Korea, Singapore, or Bosnia and Herzegovina.

Have you ever tried to buy sunscreen in Asia?

Re: Skin exposure to UVB light induces a skin-brain-gonad axis and sexual behavior

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post #3

Implying that a primary causal factor for globally-declining birth rates could be... increased adoption of sunscreen, leading to decreases in libido? (I'm only half-joking; the countries that are most obsessed with keeping skin white — and so are likely the highest sunscreen users — are also the countries with the lowest birth rates.)

> the countries that are most obsessed with keeping skin white — and so are likely the highest sunscreen users Isn't it rather more about avoiding skin cancer?

While American and European sunbathers tend to seek the perfect tan, many Indian and East Asian women avoid it at all costs, through sunscreen and a whole bevy of skin-lightening products:

https://www.bbc.com/news/magazine-18268914

https://www.sixthtone.com/news/1005927/chinas-quest-for-fair...

Such standards of beauty are quite old and largely predate Western colonialism. My impression is that they were often linked to caste or class, where higher-class people spent more time indoors while lower-class workers spent more time out in the sun.

This cultural difference is the source of much amusement for the Indian spouse of my European coworker. When they vacation in Europe all the ladies on the beach want to tan, and when they visit India it’s the other way around.

Re: Skin exposure to UVB light induces a skin-brain-gonad axis and sexual behavior

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post #3

Implying that a primary causal factor for globally-declining birth rates could be... increased adoption of sunscreen, leading to decreases in libido? (I'm only half-joking; the countries that are most obsessed with keeping skin white — and so are likely the highest sunscreen users — are also the countries with the lowest birth rates.)

I don't get how reduced UV exposure is supposed to be more attributable to sunscreens than to office labors.

Most industrial materials block roughly 100% of UV rays, except viewing windows which allows as much as 1%. Therefore, just staying in any modern building alone cuts down UV exposure by 99% at very least. There is absolutely no way some translucent face painting does that.

Re: Skin exposure to UVB light induces a skin-brain-gonad axis and sexual behavior

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post #11

Earlier quoted context omitted.

> the countries that are most obsessed with keeping skin white — and so are likely the highest sunscreen users Isn't it rather more about avoiding skin cancer?

There are a whole host of benefits associated with sun exposure that are reduced by wearing sunscreen. “Avoidance of sun exposure is a risk factor of a similar magnitude as smoking, in terms of life expectancy.” https://www.outsideonline.com/health/wellness/sunscreen-sun-...

I'm open to the argument that it's wrong/irrational, but I would wager that - at least in the USA - people wearing sunscreen are doing it to avoid skin cancer more than to avoid tanning.

Re: Skin exposure to UVB light induces a skin-brain-gonad axis and sexual behavior

#17
post #9

Earlier quoted context omitted.

Not directly answering your question but related: "early sunscreen formulations were disastrous, shielding users from the UVB rays that cause sunburn but not the UVA rays that cause skin cancer. Even today, SPF ratings refer only to UVB rays, so many users may be absorbing far more UVA radiation than they realize." https://www.outsideonline.com/health/wellness/sunscreen-sun-...

How can you know if it does both? Look for UVA on the bottle?

The UK - and I presume Europe - has a star rating for UVA protection in addition to SPF. Some details here: https://www.nhs.uk/live-well/seasonal-health/sunscreen-and-s...

Tl;Dr - you want minimum 5-star 30 SPF for your daily cream.

Re: Skin exposure to UVB light induces a skin-brain-gonad axis and sexual behavior

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post #3

Implying that a primary causal factor for globally-declining birth rates could be... increased adoption of sunscreen, leading to decreases in libido? (I'm only half-joking; the countries that are most obsessed with keeping skin white — and so are likely the highest sunscreen users — are also the countries with the lowest birth rates.)

It is probably birth control in the water supply that are causing birth rate declines.

Re: Skin exposure to UVB light induces a skin-brain-gonad axis and sexual behavior

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Question: how does sunscreen affect these outcome ? I have been in a UV-high indexed area for over 2hrs a day under sun and wondered if applying sunscreen everyday as I have to exposed parts such as arms and legs have negative consequences since all of them have benzene. Now this seems to be another reason for not doing so?

Under these conditions, I would recommend a UPF 50 garment, like Columbia PFG Terminal Tackle Hoody (but I have seen George aka Walmart for $10). I think this is safer than applying chemicals. Also sunscreens in the US are far behind the EU and Asia

https://www.theatlantic.com/technology/archive/2022/07/us-su...

Re: Skin exposure to UVB light induces a skin-brain-gonad axis and sexual behavior

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post #15
post #3

Implying that a primary causal factor for globally-declining birth rates could be... increased adoption of sunscreen, leading to decreases in libido? (I'm only half-joking; the countries that are most obsessed with keeping skin white — and so are likely the highest sunscreen users — are also the countries with the lowest birth rates.)

I don't get how reduced UV exposure is supposed to be more attributable to sunscreens than to office labors. Most industrial materials block roughly 100% of UV rays, except viewing windows which allows as much as 1%. Therefore, just staying in any modern building alone cuts down UV exposure by 99% at very least. There is absolutely no way some translucent face painting does that.

> There is absolutely no way some translucent face painting does that.

Wow what a dismissive comment to chemistry and cosmetics.

Just for fun, try take a pic of yourself with a UV camera (or just UV light with some phones), and you'll see it's translucent only to the visible spectrum: https://petapixel.com/2016/05/26/tiny-uv-camera-shows-youve-...

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