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Re: Linux 5.19

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Linus' third time using ARM64, once ``a decade+ ago when the Macbook Air was the only real thin-and-lite [machine] around'', confuses me. The original Macbook Air and successor a decade ago used Intel IIRC? Wikipedia agrees with my memory.

Quoting directly from the text:

> It's the third time I'm using Apple hardware for Linux development

No mention of ARM64 there.

Re: Linux 5.19

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post #8

Linus' third time using ARM64, once ``a decade+ ago when the Macbook Air was the only real thin-and-lite [machine] around'', confuses me. The original Macbook Air and successor a decade ago used Intel IIRC? Wikipedia agrees with my memory.

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Re: Linux 5.19

#13

Anyone using it fulltime? Just curious how the simple things work for you. The biggest question for me would be the keyboard, since linux seems to be much more windows like. PS: Im on a p1 gen4 thinkapd very happy with it, BUT it is sometimes really noisy..

Apple keyboards are the same as Windows, they just have different labels. The ALT key is called "option". CTRL is "control" and the windows key is "command".

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Re: Linux 5.19

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> I'll likely call [the next release] 6.0 since I'm starting to worry about getting confused by big numbers again.

I'm not sure whether to read this as a joke, or if there's really no semantic difference between x & y version numbers for the Linux kernel?

[Edit: that was a sincere question, not 'what a joke', I didn't mean anything against it.]

If I hadn't seen that I'd have been very cautious, a bit worried even, about upgrading to :shocked-face: six point oh, scoured for news & changelogs (yes yes as I should anyway.. actually what I do is assume patch will be fine, and check /r/archlinux for minor bumps - that is, I thought they were 'minor' and 'patch' rather than arbitrary) etc.

Re: Linux 5.19

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Anyone using it fulltime? Just curious how the simple things work for you. The biggest question for me would be the keyboard, since linux seems to be much more windows like. PS: Im on a p1 gen4 thinkapd very happy with it, BUT it is sometimes really noisy..

As the sibling said, the keyboards are basically the same, especially the US ANSI variant (horizontal Enter).

Localized versions can be different, the French for example has some symbols in very different places.

Also, the ALT (Option, key to the right of the left CTRL) and Super (Command, key to the left of the space bar) are reversed, but you can tell Linux to swap them.

I use `options hid_apple fnmode=2 swap_opt_cmd=1` to have function keys register as Fx without the FN and to have the ALT key next to the space bar.

Re: Linux 5.19

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post #14

> I'll likely call [the next release] 6.0 since I'm starting to worry about getting confused by big numbers again. I'm not sure whether to read this as a joke, or if there's really no semantic difference between x & y version numbers for the Linux kernel? [Edit: that was a sincere question, not 'what a joke', I didn't mean anything against it.] If I hadn't seen that I'd have been very cautious, a bit worried even, ab…

The first number being changed doesn't mean anything in particular, it's just like another release.

Check the release post for 5.0: https://lkml.org/lkml/2019/3/3/236

Re: Linux 5.19

#18
post #14

> I'll likely call [the next release] 6.0 since I'm starting to worry about getting confused by big numbers again. I'm not sure whether to read this as a joke, or if there's really no semantic difference between x & y version numbers for the Linux kernel? [Edit: that was a sincere question, not 'what a joke', I didn't mean anything against it.] If I hadn't seen that I'd have been very cautious, a bit worried even, ab…

It's happened in the linux kernel before. There's no "major" difference, it's just development as usual.

Re: Linux 5.19

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post #14

> I'll likely call [the next release] 6.0 since I'm starting to worry about getting confused by big numbers again. I'm not sure whether to read this as a joke, or if there's really no semantic difference between x & y version numbers for the Linux kernel? [Edit: that was a sincere question, not 'what a joke', I didn't mean anything against it.] If I hadn't seen that I'd have been very cautious, a bit worried even, ab…

As far as I know the first two number basically don't have any meaning these days as far as size of the changes goes.

Re: Linux 5.19

#20

Anyone using it fulltime? Just curious how the simple things work for you. The biggest question for me would be the keyboard, since linux seems to be much more windows like. PS: Im on a p1 gen4 thinkapd very happy with it, BUT it is sometimes really noisy..

Apple keyboards are the same as Windows, they just have different labels. The ALT key is called "option". CTRL is "control" and the windows key is "command".

Lots more different than that:

+ Windows has the Windows key (which Linux called "super")

+ Windows also has the context menu key, which I think it pretty useless to be honest but others might get value from that

+ The Mac keyboard layout is US-like, even on European models. Which means a bunch of keys are in different places from their European IBM counterparts (like @ and "). The # and / keys I find particularly hard to locate on Macs. I often end up redefining my Mac keyboard to be an IBM keyboard even though it differs from the key caps. It's a nightmare for anyone using my Mac but much easier for me who's had ~40 years of muscle memory.

Not the keyboard hardware (so somewhat out of scope for this context) but it's also worth noting that there's some macOS keyboard shortcuts that differ in really confusing ways too. Like

+ Ctrl+C vs Cmd+C

+ Text area navigation on a Mac is totally different too. Home and End buttons behave differently. Ctrl+Arrow keys don't work. Shift+Arrow keys don't select. etc

Every time I spend a few months in Linux and then switch to a Mac (or visa versa) I inevitably have a few days of pain relearning short cut keys.

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