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End of the Machinery Game Engine

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Re: End of the Machinery Game Engine

#11
Can we see a screenshot or some other confirmation that this happened?

Not saying it didn't, but it'd be a great way to tank a competitor's business if it were fake. I wanna be sure before I get a pitchfork out.

To the extent this is legitimate, it definitely seems like grounds for a lawsuit. IANAL, so can't say if it'd succeed, but I am not convinced the last-minute EULA change would save them.

Re: End of the Machinery Game Engine

#12
I'm sorry, is this in any way legal? Did they just tell people to delete their games? Like... I'm pretty sure this kind of rug pull would destroy any company that relies on this engine. 14 days for a full re-write is insane.

Re: End of the Machinery Game Engine

#13

I'm sorry, is this in any way legal? Did they just tell people to delete their games? Like... I'm pretty sure this kind of rug pull would destroy any company that relies on this engine. 14 days for a full re-write is insane.

Actually, I might know someone who can answer this. Or, at least they'll have to figure it out. I didn't realize this was that platform. A friend started a company last year to build a game based on this, and I'm pretty sure they already released said game.

Re: End of the Machinery Game Engine

#14

Can we see a screenshot or some other confirmation that this happened? Not saying it didn't, but it'd be a great way to tank a competitor's business if it were fake. I wanna be sure before I get a pitchfork out. To the extent this is legitimate, it definitely seems like grounds for a lawsuit. IANAL, so can't say if it'd succeed, but I am not convinced the last-minute EULA change would save them.

Termination email: https://host.zlsadesign.com/rkHpL6ET5.png

Email about the EULA change that added the termination clause two days ago: https://host.zlsadesign.com/SkfpU6ETq.png

Re: End of the Machinery Game Engine

#15
post #14

Can we see a screenshot or some other confirmation that this happened? Not saying it didn't, but it'd be a great way to tank a competitor's business if it were fake. I wanna be sure before I get a pitchfork out. To the extent this is legitimate, it definitely seems like grounds for a lawsuit. IANAL, so can't say if it'd succeed, but I am not convinced the last-minute EULA change would save them.

Termination email: https://host.zlsadesign.com/rkHpL6ET5.png Email about the EULA change that added the termination clause two days ago: https://host.zlsadesign.com/SkfpU6ETq.png

Thank you!

This is definitely unacceptable. Are you considering legal action?

Re: End of the Machinery Game Engine

#16

Can we see a screenshot or some other confirmation that this happened? Not saying it didn't, but it'd be a great way to tank a competitor's business if it were fake. I wanna be sure before I get a pitchfork out. To the extent this is legitimate, it definitely seems like grounds for a lawsuit. IANAL, so can't say if it'd succeed, but I am not convinced the last-minute EULA change would save them.

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Re: End of the Machinery Game Engine

#17
post #14

Earlier quoted context omitted.

Termination email: https://host.zlsadesign.com/rkHpL6ET5.png Email about the EULA change that added the termination clause two days ago: https://host.zlsadesign.com/SkfpU6ETq.png

Thank you! This is definitely unacceptable. Are you considering legal action?

Agreed, this is a crazy outcome. I don't actually use the engine; I evaluated it a while ago for hobby projects but never went beyond that. So this doesn't directly affect me.

Re: End of the Machinery Game Engine

#18
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Ceasing development is one thing, rug pulling licensees by demanding they delete the framework they've built their projects on is another thing entirely. The hell happened at Our Machinery? The Machinery was a young engine but it had pedigree as the spiritual successor to Bitsquid, which did ship in a number of commercial games until it was killed by Autodesk after they acquired it. The main developers went on to fou…

Not only that, but they'd have to delete and force consumers to delete any copies of games published that use the license, unless I am misunderstanding it. There's no way that's enforceable (IANAL, but good lord).

Re: End of the Machinery Game Engine

#19

This looks pretty shady. The current EULA on the website includes a bit that says they can terminate your license and ask you to delete all source and binaries entirely at their discretion[1]. The latest copy on the wayback machine from May does not have that bit.[2] 1. https://ourmachinery.com/eula.html 2. https://web.archive.org/web/20220529230958/https://ourmachin... So they used the 'we can update the eula at any…

I've always thought this kind of "we can update the EULA" clause pretty much invalidated the whole idea that you should carefully read EULAs. If one of your starting rules is "the rules are whatever I say they are" then there's no point even reading the other rules. In reality, of course, nothing means anything until it's tried in court.
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