Give their chat another try. I went through the same a while back and they reset my password.
I can reset the password myself, what they won't do is reset the security questions through an email for example. They told me that if I don't have the answers, there is no way to recover my account.
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#12That was rather disturbing, and then to pour some salt on the wound, they sent an email to my inbox with the text, "someone has tried to login with your password!" Thanks. :-/
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#13> Problem is, right now, the second factor is security questions to which I don't have the answers (I probably entered random gibberish years ago). Cold comfort now, but... don't do that. Try to keep escalating the issue. Maybe go in person to an Apple store?
> Cold comfort now, but... don't do that. If you answer security questions honestly, you're very vulnerable to account takeover. Most of the answers are public information about a person (where did you grow up kind of thing), or so arbitrary I wouldn't remember what I answered anyway (what's your favorite movie/food/etc). The best strategy I've found is to answer them with random passphrases, and store the answer in…
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#14Do you have access to an Apple Store? If so, try to setup a Genius Bar reservation and talk to someone there. if you can't setup a reservation due to needing an Apple ID, just go into the store and see if someone can help you. It may be difficult since this is a classic way to take over an account through phishing and they have been trying to block that kind of thing. I hate those security questions because, if you a…
The best suggestion I've seen for handling security questions is to use the same stupid response for all of them. Mum's maiden name? 'waffles'. City of birth? 'waffles'. Brand of your first car? 'waffles'. No-one's going to glean that from the internet, and it's going to be difficult for you to forget once you've formed the habit.
Makes social engineering nearly impossible.
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#15Earlier quoted context omitted.
The best suggestion I've seen for handling security questions is to use the same stupid response for all of them. Mum's maiden name? 'waffles'. City of birth? 'waffles'. Brand of your first car? 'waffles'. No-one's going to glean that from the internet, and it's going to be difficult for you to forget once you've formed the habit.
My secret questions have nonsensical answers but are all unique per app/website which are recorded. Makes social engineering nearly impossible.
Re: Tell HN: Lost access to my Apple account even though I have the password
#16Do you have access to an Apple Store? If so, try to setup a Genius Bar reservation and talk to someone there. if you can't setup a reservation due to needing an Apple ID, just go into the store and see if someone can help you. It may be difficult since this is a classic way to take over an account through phishing and they have been trying to block that kind of thing. I hate those security questions because, if you a…
The best suggestion I've seen for handling security questions is to use the same stupid response for all of them. Mum's maiden name? 'waffles'. City of birth? 'waffles'. Brand of your first car? 'waffles'. No-one's going to glean that from the internet, and it's going to be difficult for you to forget once you've formed the habit.
A lot of the time these can be used to reset your password, so you've compromised the security of your (hopefully much more intelligently) chosen password. In addition, if a breach ever leaks or a phishing attempt ever intercepts your security question answers, you expose all your accounts to takeover.
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#17Earlier quoted context omitted.
My secret questions have nonsensical answers but are all unique per app/website which are recorded. Makes social engineering nearly impossible.
Just don't put random characters as the answer.
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#18> How is this acceptable ? Of course, the support told me that my data is secure ... so secure I cannot access it ! Well, this is kind of the point. You may or may not remember that mere weeks before Apple rather forcefully encouraged people to set up 2FA, numerous female celebrities had their accounts breached and rather personal images leaked to the world. When you were prompted to set up 2FA, you were given warnin…
My understanding is that OP did not set up MFA, they provided random answers to security questions which were (at that time) used only as an account recovery mechanism. My further understanding is that Apple unilaterally changed the account policy to require MFA, and automatically used those security questions as a (presumably temporary) second factor.
From my reading of the first few search results, this MFA requirement doesn’t apply to all accounts (and alarmingly MFA isn’t even available to all accounts?!). It seems likely to me OP’s has a developer account, which would have the MFA requirement.
It’s not clear to me how Apple migrates any account when they make their auth policy stricter for that account. If Apple did in fact change policy such that OP was previously able to gain authorized access by password, but subsequently was not with no action taken by OP, Apple should provide some alternative means to regain authorization—even if only to recover purchases, which would harm no one.
Security is an imperfect spectrum which coexists on another imperfect spectrum of convenience. The previous mechanism was effectively like leaving a key under a hypothetical doormat. OP’s description is that Apple placed a new lock inside the door they can already enter, demanding OP produce a key Apple left under that doormat as a matter or convenience in case the previous key was lost. If you told me that one day I might need a former convenience I don’t use and didn’t ask for to enter my home, well… it’s my home. If my home is a rental, I’d have the right to recover my belongings (and to complete the term of my lease, but this is where the abstraction breaks down because digital services have very few consumer protections).
OP certainly isn’t entitled to any further service from Apple. But they’re certainly entitled to the goods they’ve already purchased. Even if the terms of service (almost certainly derived from or similar to the butt of joke iTunes tos) disagree. Apple can’t morally just put a lock inside your door and claim it owns what’s behind that.
I’ve intentionally buried this disclaimer: I like Apple products and have been a customer since the 1990s. I expect more of them than this. I left this til last because I think the above is pretty straightforward and my loyalties to a brand should not influence that.
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#20Earlier quoted context omitted.
I can reset the password myself, what they won't do is reset the security questions through an email for example. They told me that if I don't have the answers, there is no way to recover my account.
The person I was chatting with triggered the password reset mail, and stripped my security questions. As said, I was in exactly the same situation and probably entered random answers to their security questions years ago. When I went through the password reset they set up, I no longer had to enter those security questions. Point is, they're able to remove the additional step of providing answers to the security quest…