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RSS is back as an underpinning to SlackOps

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Re: RSS is back as an underpinning to SlackOps

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Post by baskethead »

pavel_lishin wrote: post #9
amerine wrote: post #3

All I see is people claiming RSS is dead, but I never stopped. Moving between various readers and landed on Feedly for iOS a few years ago. Love it.

It's not dead, but many things I wish supported RSS don't. Facebook. Twitter. Instagram. These would be incredibly useful things to have native RSS feeds for, but instead I have to dig around and either use some tool someone built for the purpose - a tool at the mercy of the walled garden whose wall they're peeking over - or build my own nightmare factory.

None of those will because they rely on engagement to make money. They need people logging into their servers so that they can see what they are looking at. That's not how RSS works, so of course they won't support it.

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Post by seltzered_ »

amerine wrote: post #3

All I see is people claiming RSS is dead, but I never stopped. Moving between various readers and landed on Feedly for iOS a few years ago. Love it.

One thing that's been corrosive to rss the past couple years have been podcast platforms. I find more podcasts (free ones) that can only be accessed through platforms like Google podcasts, Stitcher, Spotify, or Anchor, with no rss feed link to use in a platform agnostic podcatcher app.

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Post by zerop »

Want to start a subthread here on what makes it great and despite many attempts to kill it, it still rocks! My take

1. Widely adopted protocol, clients in all programming languages.

2. Publicly readable without password

3. Get notification for new items in many tools like Slack

4. Easy to produce and consume

5. Many nice Web UI Reader available

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Post by adamrezich »

tootie wrote: post #5
amerine wrote: post #3

All I see is people claiming RSS is dead, but I never stopped. Moving between various readers and landed on Feedly for iOS a few years ago. Love it.

RSS is still the default distribution system for podcasts. It's probably the thin thread that is keeping Spotify from building a walled garden for audio.

Spotify is in fact intending to move away from RSS, as a means of creating a walled garden: https://techcrunch.com/2022/06/08/spotify-hypes-the-revenue-...

> […] The company spent a good portion of its presentation specifically focused on podcasts, which it said had been “largely unchanged” for years before its entry into the market, due to the limitations of RSS.

> Spotify cited how unbundling podcasts from RSS technology has paved the way for Spotify to generate revenue through these popular audio programs — a sentiment that’s not universally beloved by those who support an open podcast ecosystem. Spotify has disrupted that market by bringing some podcasts in-house, where they can only be heard on its service, and competitors have followed. This has fractured the ecosystem and left consumers at a disadvantage as some shows are no longer broadly available.

> “We’ve been able to replace RSS for on-platform distribution, which means that podcasts created on our platform are no longer held back by this outdated technology,” Maya Prohovnik, Spotify’s head of Talk, told investors.

Re: RSS is back as an underpinning to SlackOps

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Post by detaro »

NelsonMinar wrote: post #15

Don't call it a comeback! There's still this lurking mess of RSS 0.91 vs 1.0 vs 2.0 vs Atom. As one of the folks involved in creating Atom I'm frustrated with the outcome. These days it'd probably be JSON, right?

There is JSONFeed, but that was pretty much a flash in the pan.

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Post by soco »

jhot wrote: post #6
amerine wrote: post #3

All I see is people claiming RSS is dead, but I never stopped. Moving between various readers and landed on Feedly for iOS a few years ago. Love it.

Same. After Google Reader I went with Feedly for a while, then self-hosted TTRSS, and currently self-hosted Miniflux. Miniflutt is my preferred Android client and ReadKit on Mac. The Miniflux web app is nice and simple but I prefer clients that mark as read on scroll. I occasionally venture onto Reddit or HN to see if I've missed anything big but rarely do.

I use HN's RSS feed (plus a few others) with a Firefox extension (Feedbro) and that's all I need.

Re: RSS is back as an underpinning to SlackOps

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Post by hosh »

I know XMPP is not as popular these days, but there is an XMPP extension for pushing Atom stanzas as a sort of the push complement to RSS.

… and using Slack to consolidate RSS turns RSS from pull to push. (Slack probably has caching mechanisms across all workspaces to reduce pull bandwith).

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Post by iroddis »

amerine wrote: post #3

All I see is people claiming RSS is dead, but I never stopped. Moving between various readers and landed on Feedly for iOS a few years ago. Love it.

+1 for Feedly, although I use Feedly Classic on IOS for a more concise, no-frills UI. I really appreciate the header + summary without thumbnails format for quickly going through large-volume sources (like HN).
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