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Irwin – the protector of Lichess from all chess players villainous

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Re: Irwin – the protector of Lichess from all chess players villainous

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This is really cool. Rampant cheating is the reason I completely abandoned playing chess, so nice to see something happening.

How do you cheat at chess? Serious question… there are fixed rules that govern the game, certainly a piece of software or in the human case 3rd party observer should be able to enforce them? In other words, given a list of moves, you can write a program that returns `valid` if the set of moves is allowed or `invalid` if it is not, no?

Simple: don’t play moves you discover independently, and instead use an advanced chess AI to tell you what to play. You play your opponent’s moves against an alternative AI program, and then play its moves back in your game against the human.

I don’t know why people do this. It’s not like it makes them better at chess.

Re: Irwin – the protector of Lichess from all chess players villainous

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Earlier quoted context omitted.

How do you cheat at chess? Serious question… there are fixed rules that govern the game, certainly a piece of software or in the human case 3rd party observer should be able to enforce them? In other words, given a list of moves, you can write a program that returns `valid` if the set of moves is allowed or `invalid` if it is not, no?

Open up high level bot in another tab. Play their moves and copy what the bot does in response. I have no idea why people do it, it's not even like video game cheats where it gives people a advantage but you're still in control - you're literally just copying.

I’d have to guess, but fake internet points? The ability to say “I’m ranked 5th at blah blah chess website”. Maybe it’s not even to others but just to themselves.

Re: Irwin – the protector of Lichess from all chess players villainous

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post #4

Earlier quoted context omitted.

How do you cheat at chess? Serious question… there are fixed rules that govern the game, certainly a piece of software or in the human case 3rd party observer should be able to enforce them? In other words, given a list of moves, you can write a program that returns `valid` if the set of moves is allowed or `invalid` if it is not, no?

Simple: don’t play moves you discover independently, and instead use an advanced chess AI to tell you what to play. You play your opponent’s moves against an alternative AI program, and then play its moves back in your game against the human. I don’t know why people do this. It’s not like it makes them better at chess.

The same reasons cheating is rampant in all online videogames, I imagine

Re: Irwin – the protector of Lichess from all chess players villainous

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I’ve seen a video of Magnus Carlsen playing on Lichess before. Does Irwin ever accidentally flag him or people like him? Do these sorts of folks have to be verified in some fashion?

Not lichess, but Alireza Firouzja (World Rank #3) was banned from chess.com when he was younger.

It was some time ago so probably their cheat engine detection, and also lichess's should give less false positives.

Re: Irwin – the protector of Lichess from all chess players villainous

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Earlier quoted context omitted.

How do you cheat at chess? Serious question… there are fixed rules that govern the game, certainly a piece of software or in the human case 3rd party observer should be able to enforce them? In other words, given a list of moves, you can write a program that returns `valid` if the set of moves is allowed or `invalid` if it is not, no?

Oh, wait, this must be cheating in the sense of “I used a computer to assist my brain in determining my move”. I guess that is a new type of problem in online chess…

New since 1994 or so

Re: Irwin – the protector of Lichess from all chess players villainous

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Earlier quoted context omitted.

Oh, wait, this must be cheating in the sense of “I used a computer to assist my brain in determining my move”. I guess that is a new type of problem in online chess…

New since 1994 or so

I never got into online chess. I’ve always played against physical humans or a bot.

Re: Irwin – the protector of Lichess from all chess players villainous

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This is really cool. Rampant cheating is the reason I completely abandoned playing chess, so nice to see something happening.

Perhaps you could clarify what you mean by cheating?

People using an engine to tell them what moves to make against their opponent.
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