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Re: Quebec Sovereignty Movement

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Anyone interested in this subject should watch Radio-Canada/CBC excellent documentary Breaking Point part [1] & part [2]. It make a good job of showing both side motivation in the 95 referendum and also the international politics in trying to get France to recognize a Yes vote.

[1] https://youtu.be/Fl7lOundk4Y [2] https://youtu.be/nnF46gRSPig

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I'm Québécois from birth (Trois Rivières). I voted in the incredibly close '95 seperation referendum. In my view, separation or sovereignty would be bad for us. Separation is mainly predicated on the idea that Québécois are culturally distinct from the rest of Canada, and that our values would be better represented independently. We mostly speak French, and the rest of Canada is predominantly anglo (my New Brunswick…

Separation would be bad, but threatening to do so is quite the power move.

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I'm Québécois from birth (Trois Rivières). I voted in the incredibly close '95 seperation referendum. In my view, separation or sovereignty would be bad for us. Separation is mainly predicated on the idea that Québécois are culturally distinct from the rest of Canada, and that our values would be better represented independently. We mostly speak French, and the rest of Canada is predominantly anglo (my New Brunswick…

What powers does Quebec want that it doesn't actually have?

It's not about power. It's about purity. The hardcore members of the independence movement bandies about what translates as "the pure wool". Today, their arguments are referred to elsewhere as "the great replacement theory".

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I'm Québécois from birth (Trois Rivières). I voted in the incredibly close '95 seperation referendum. In my view, separation or sovereignty would be bad for us. Separation is mainly predicated on the idea that Québécois are culturally distinct from the rest of Canada, and that our values would be better represented independently. We mostly speak French, and the rest of Canada is predominantly anglo (my New Brunswick…

Separation would be bad, but threatening to do so is quite the power move.

Exactly. Quebec gets what it wants from Ottawa by having separatism as a threat.

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The only reason I see this relevant to HN is because lots of tech companies have been opening Montreal offices over the past 20 years. We have 4 universities and most educated people are bilingual in spite of the officialdom.

However the drumbeats of separatism are banging again [1], so might be relevant considering what happened to the Montreal economy the last times these idiots were allowed to lead by their inferiority complex.

Background: Native Montrealer, proud Canadian-Italian whose ancestors built the city, and have watched it decay over the past 40 years due to paternalistic and policies and a system of government that prioritizes the opinions of the "Les régions" over Montreal (it's like if voters in the Georgia countryside fully dictated how Atlanta operates)

What Quebec nationalism has resulted in:

-Literal language police (see: pastagate [2] - this stupidity had been doubled down on)

-Codification of racism and suppression that also increases the burden on businesses (see: Bill 21 and Bill 96) [3,4]

-Blatant disregard for the Charter of Rights and Freedoms (the "notwithstanding clause") [5]

-Montreal was the most diverse, vibrant city in Canada, truly a global capital - this movement handed that directly to Toronto

-Montreal was the financial and tech capital of Canada - this movement handed that directly to Toronto

[1] https://montreal.ctvnews.ca/mobile/video?clipId=1831353

[2] https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Pastagate

[3] https://www.cbc.ca/news/canada/montreal/what-bill-21-means-f...

[4] https://montreal.ctvnews.ca/language-law-bill-96-adopted-pro...

[5] https://montreal.ctvnews.ca/mobile/what-is-the-notwithstandi...

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Even more interesting, if it went through the Western half of Canada would effectively be cut off from the bulk of the countries population and economic centers. For this reason, the Governor of Alberta at the time had planned to cede to the US had the referendum been a success. At that point there probably would have been something of a domino effect, with the other Western provinces doing the same.

Could you clarify? Wouldn't this only cut Newfoundland and Labrador off from the rest of Canada? Can't see how this would affect Western Canada's access to the population/economic centre which is basically just Ontario, and to a lesser degree BC and Alberta itself. (Excepting Quebec, which I guess all of Canada would be cut off from to the same degree in this scenario).

There’s 3 other provinces east of Quebec

Re: Quebec Sovereignty Movement

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I'm Québécois from birth (Trois Rivières). I voted in the incredibly close '95 seperation referendum. In my view, separation or sovereignty would be bad for us. Separation is mainly predicated on the idea that Québécois are culturally distinct from the rest of Canada, and that our values would be better represented independently. We mostly speak French, and the rest of Canada is predominantly anglo (my New Brunswick…

Separation would be bad, but threatening to do so is quite the power move.

It's not about power with Canada, it's about power within the borders to ensure the "pure wool" is not just preserved but any contaminating factors eliminated

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Earlier quoted context omitted.

Separation would be bad, but threatening to do so is quite the power move.

Exactly. Quebec gets what it wants from Ottawa by having separatism as a threat.

Sounds like Canada proper would benefit greatly by letting Quebec go, then? Thus they would't bear the heavy burden of these concessions that they are continuously forced to do.

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Being a Québecois, I am divided on this issue. To heavily summarize : Pro : - Only one level of corruption instead of two to keep in check. - A (sometime too zealous) protection of the language. Against : - Less international political weight - Companies forced to to business in french by law might gtfo since it incur costs - Weak military power (would we stay in NATO?) Globally : Our roads are already crap. Healthca…

At the time of the referendum, at least, I recall that Quebec was a net recipient of federal funds, i.e. was not economically self-sufficient. I always assumed that played a role in the way the vote went: people expecting the Quebec economy to nosedive on independence.

What's the situation now?

Re: Quebec Sovereignty Movement

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Being a Québecois, I am divided on this issue. To heavily summarize : Pro : - Only one level of corruption instead of two to keep in check. - A (sometime too zealous) protection of the language. Against : - Less international political weight - Companies forced to to business in french by law might gtfo since it incur costs - Weak military power (would we stay in NATO?) Globally : Our roads are already crap. Healthca…

As someone who grew up on the Ontario-Quebec border in Northern Ontario, to highlight why this is absurd you just need to realize that roads and healthcare are a provincial thing. Quebec is already responsible for funding those things. Furthermore, Quebec receives equalization payments from the rest of Canada because they run such a deficit. If they cut themselves off, things would only get worse. The two levels of corruption doesn't make sense, Quebec would obviously set up its own provinces.

I also think that the language would suffer because Canada is able to convince all American companies to translate everything because the other 30 million wallets are worth it. I highly suspect you would get the France version if they demanded only French products which, for those that don't know, would be perceived as more of a personal affront than American English being pushed onto the UK. At best, they would continue to get the Canadian version. In which case, what exactly was achieved?

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