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Re: Understanding how others relate to you

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Anytime you have distinct categories, remember that the model is an over-simplification.

Almost all models are oversimplifications. That's the reason it's a model

No, all models are simplifications. Oversimplification means it has been reduced past it's usefulness.

Simplifying something can still be useful. Not all models oversimplify.

Re: Understanding how others relate to you

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One of the more entertaining things in my life, is watching others "figure me out."

I'm pretty "out of band" (read: "weird").

I am generally fairly friendly, and open.

Lots of folks perceive that as weakness.

It's actually kind of entertaining, when they find out they got it wrong. Boy, do they get pissed.

Not everyone loves me. I cry myself to sleep over that, every night.

And, to stay on topic, I have no interest in categorizing others. It generally doesn't work well. The whole "You can tell a man by his handshake" thing is hilarious.

Re: Understanding how others relate to you

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One of the more entertaining things in my life, is watching others "figure me out." I'm pretty "out of band" (read: "weird"). I am generally fairly friendly, and open. Lots of folks perceive that as weakness. It's actually kind of entertaining, when they find out they got it wrong. Boy, do they get pissed . Not everyone loves me. I cry myself to sleep over that, every night. And, to stay on topic, I have no interest…

> "You can tell a man by his handshake"

In what sense do you find this hilarious?

It seems like a strong signal to me. It's not meant to be applied as general categorization. It's meant as a symbol which can be used to find your people. That is, those who had the same background where they were taught something about a strong handshake. People who don't have a strong handshake, may not come from the same background.

Re: Understanding how others relate to you

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One of the more entertaining things in my life, is watching others "figure me out." I'm pretty "out of band" (read: "weird"). I am generally fairly friendly, and open. Lots of folks perceive that as weakness. It's actually kind of entertaining, when they find out they got it wrong. Boy, do they get pissed . Not everyone loves me. I cry myself to sleep over that, every night. And, to stay on topic, I have no interest…

> "You can tell a man by his handshake" In what sense do you find this hilarious? It seems like a strong signal to me. It's not meant to be applied as general categorization. It's meant as a symbol which can be used to find your people. That is, those who had the same background where they were taught something about a strong handshake. People who don't have a strong handshake, may not come from the same background.

OK. I’ll walk that back, a bit. It’s the idea that some people get, that they can determine the sum total of another person, from a momentary interaction.

Let’s just say that some of the best people I’ve ever known, have “dead fish” handshakes.

Mine is “middlin’,” not too strong, not too weak. Tells you exactly nothing about me, and that’s how I like it.

Most people are a continuum. I know right bastards that are very loyal and standup, and very nice people that are totally unreliable, and I never count on them.

Most relationships are “give and take.” We find that we can work intimately with people that we wouldn’t want to invite over for dinner.

Re: Understanding how others relate to you

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This model is pretty ham-fisted. The "Blinds" are described as a cult, and a permanent status that endures any level of neglect or separation. In reality, it's extremely common for your unconditional love BFF's to drift away as the relationship atrophies. It's called your 30's and 40's. MUST the third group of "Shapeshifters" ALL be Machiavellian? Careerists, seeking only to use you for your position and influence? D…

> MUST the third group of "Shapeshifters" ALL be Machiavellian? Careerists, seeking only to use you for your position and influence? Does this category even exist then, for the overwhelming majority of us who don't have much position or influence? This sounds like category for managers and LinkedIn junkies, not individual contributors and normal humans.

You don't have to be a manager to have sycophants. People can use other people for all sorts of things not just career status. E.g. money, emotional support, netflix subscription, whatever.

Re: Understanding how others relate to you

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I think this model is over-simplified and not useful. The main problem in my opinion is that it's one sided. A good question to ask would be what is your label in how you relate to someone else - I think almost no-one would label themselves as a 'Shapeshifter' or 'Hater'. Even if you didn't like someone, you wouldn't say that you are a hater, but you are being rational in your dislike for them.

Another problem this model has is this is just a snapshot within the timeline. Nobody wouldn't be able to decide if someone was (not) a 'Blind' until he finally had disagree with you. All the category discussed in the article cannot be decided until it's too late and simply a hindsight. What could you make use of the model if it wasn't available in advance?

Re: Understanding how others relate to you

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Earlier quoted context omitted.

> "You can tell a man by his handshake" In what sense do you find this hilarious? It seems like a strong signal to me. It's not meant to be applied as general categorization. It's meant as a symbol which can be used to find your people. That is, those who had the same background where they were taught something about a strong handshake. People who don't have a strong handshake, may not come from the same background.

OK. I’ll walk that back, a bit. It’s the idea that some people get, that they can determine the sum total of another person, from a momentary interaction. Let’s just say that some of the best people I’ve ever known, have “dead fish” handshakes. Mine is “middlin’,” not too strong, not too weak. Tells you exactly nothing about me, and that’s how I like it. Most people are a continuum. I know right bastards that are ver…

interestingly, it seems handshakes aren't just about the strength of grip. People smell their hands after handshakes for chemosignaling: https://elifesciences.org/articles/05154

"We found that humans often sniff their own hands, and selectively increase this behavior after handshake"

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