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What the Hell Was the Microsoft Network? (2018)

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Re: What the Hell Was the Microsoft Network? (2018)

#11
"The raw, unfiltered mess of the Internet was quickly becoming the New Cool Thing, and no-one wanted to sign up for yet another Stupid Proprietary Thing"

Which is exactly what Microsoft is pushing today with their idiotic "Microsoft account," making it increasingly impossible to use Windows or their other products without signing on to this bullshit.

They clearly didn't learn the first time around. Nobody wants another goddamned account, Microsoft.

Re: What the Hell Was the Microsoft Network? (2018)

#12

"The raw, unfiltered mess of the Internet was quickly becoming the New Cool Thing, and no-one wanted to sign up for yet another Stupid Proprietary Thing" Which is exactly what Microsoft is pushing today with their idiotic "Microsoft account," making it increasingly impossible to use Windows or their other products without signing on to this bullshit. They clearly didn't learn the first time around. Nobody wants anoth…

Playing devil's advocate here: For all practical purposes you need an account for macOS, iOS, and Android. What is so different with Windows?

Re: What the Hell Was the Microsoft Network? (2018)

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post #12

"The raw, unfiltered mess of the Internet was quickly becoming the New Cool Thing, and no-one wanted to sign up for yet another Stupid Proprietary Thing" Which is exactly what Microsoft is pushing today with their idiotic "Microsoft account," making it increasingly impossible to use Windows or their other products without signing on to this bullshit. They clearly didn't learn the first time around. Nobody wants anoth…

Playing devil's advocate here: For all practical purposes you need an account for macOS, iOS, and Android. What is so different with Windows?

It's our Personal Computer, not Microsoft's. But since discovering the peaceful i3WM on Debian the need to boot into the telemetry riddled spyware called Windows has been minimized. Need TPM? Use ProxMox and run Win11 without the 'required' hardware in an isolated network.

Re: What the Hell Was the Microsoft Network? (2018)

#14
> And so The Microsoft Network wasn't a program you loaded like CompuServe. It was part of the OS, with folder icons that looked just like real folders. It was a kind of version of the Web where you could browse online data the same way you browsed your file system. This is what made it cool.

Microsoft <3 Plan 9?

Re: What the Hell Was the Microsoft Network? (2018)

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post #12

Earlier quoted context omitted.

Playing devil's advocate here: For all practical purposes you need an account for macOS, iOS, and Android. What is so different with Windows?

It's our Personal Computer, not Microsoft's. But since discovering the peaceful i3WM on Debian the need to boot into the telemetry riddled spyware called Windows has been minimized. Need TPM? Use ProxMox and run Win11 without the 'required' hardware in an isolated network.

I often look at these struggles with modern operating systems and think "BeOS wouldn't have done this". Then I laugh because in that world, BeOS would be where MacOS is now (quite literally certain on this), and would probably have resulted in the same product.

Re: What the Hell Was the Microsoft Network? (2018)

#17
post #12

"The raw, unfiltered mess of the Internet was quickly becoming the New Cool Thing, and no-one wanted to sign up for yet another Stupid Proprietary Thing" Which is exactly what Microsoft is pushing today with their idiotic "Microsoft account," making it increasingly impossible to use Windows or their other products without signing on to this bullshit. They clearly didn't learn the first time around. Nobody wants anoth…

Playing devil's advocate here: For all practical purposes you need an account for macOS, iOS, and Android. What is so different with Windows?

> Playing devil's advocate here: For all practical purposes you need an account for macOS, iOS, and Android. What is so different with Windows?

Who says that your parent is not similarly opposed to these accounts?

Re: What the Hell Was the Microsoft Network? (2018)

#18
Knoware (pun intended, probably), my first Internet provider, back in 1993, had a 9600 baud connection to the Internet, shared by all his customers. When I phoned the guy (late, as he worked at night and slept during the day) to get a login, his first question was: do you have a Mac? There was no TCP/IP stack for Windows back then (Trumpet Winsock only came out in 1994, and was not a Microsoft product). He had heard of linux, said that it probably would work, but I would be on my own.

Fast forward to 1995: Windows 95 still didn't have TCP/IP (that only came with service pack 1). MSN was clearly intended as a Windows Internet, to eclipse and make irrelevant the existing one, leaving Mac and linux outside in the cold.

Of course, the local pizza guy would have to pay to be on it. Win-win for Microsoft.

Re: What the Hell Was the Microsoft Network? (2018)

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post #12

Earlier quoted context omitted.

Playing devil's advocate here: For all practical purposes you need an account for macOS, iOS, and Android. What is so different with Windows?

It's our Personal Computer, not Microsoft's. But since discovering the peaceful i3WM on Debian the need to boot into the telemetry riddled spyware called Windows has been minimized. Need TPM? Use ProxMox and run Win11 without the 'required' hardware in an isolated network.

I always roll my eyes when people sneer at the "forced" hardware upgrade Windows 11 requires. Even when I patiently explain to them what it's for

The entire point of the mandated minimum requirements was hardware that had silicon level mitigation support for Meltdown and Spectre type attacks. Something that impacted both AMD and Intel CPU's and still has new variants popping up (we're on what, Spectre v4 by now?)

The only way to truly mitigate these issues (other than undoing 30 years of CPU advancement) was an entire top-to-bottom set of mitigations. From the silicon up through the operating system and even applications such as browsers

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