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Deter House Sparrows from your hanging feeder with a Magic Halo (2017)

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Re: Deter House Sparrows from your hanging feeder with a Magic Halo (2017)

#11

Why would you want to deter them? What’s the problem with them vs other small birds?

House Sparrows are invasive in the United States and they are very aggressive. They destroy the nests of native birds to eliminate competition.

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Eugene_Schieffelin

Reminds me of this guy, who thought it would be a good idea to introduce the birds in Shakespeare's plays to the US.

Re: Deter House Sparrows from your hanging feeder with a Magic Halo (2017)

#12

As far as this actually does anything, the birds will surely learn to ignore it / navigate around it. That is why house sparrows are so widespread in the first place, they have adapted to all the stupid things we humans do.

The behavior of most small animals is a good deal more stereotyped than it seems, and the experimental evidence shows they do have an inherent disposition to avoid this setup. Unless these devices become commonplace, there may be little pressure for them to adapt (this would not mean these devices would be pointless, as the main goal is to feed other species rather than cut off food from the sparrows.)

Re: Deter House Sparrows from your hanging feeder with a Magic Halo (2017)

#13

As far as this actually does anything, the birds will surely learn to ignore it / navigate around it. That is why house sparrows are so widespread in the first place, they have adapted to all the stupid things we humans do.

Even if the name sounds like an infomercial product, the science seems to be legit.

Re: Deter House Sparrows from your hanging feeder with a Magic Halo (2017)

#14

Why would you want to deter them? What’s the problem with them vs other small birds?

Honestly, they are cute, I like having them around, but we've got some feeders, and if there are house sparrows, there are no other birds. We've been tweaking the feed we use and the form factor of the feeders to keep them away. Since we switched to nyjer, they've generally left the feeder alone, and we get finches instead.

Re: Deter House Sparrows from your hanging feeder with a Magic Halo (2017)

#16

Why would you want to deter them? What’s the problem with them vs other small birds?

Honestly, they are cute, I like having them around, but we've got some feeders, and if there are house sparrows, there are no other birds. We've been tweaking the feed we use and the form factor of the feeders to keep them away. Since we switched to nyjer, they've generally left the feeder alone, and we get finches instead.

you're right but then some people also say burmese python are cute.

Re: Deter House Sparrows from your hanging feeder with a Magic Halo (2017)

#17
post #8

As far as this actually does anything, the birds will surely learn to ignore it / navigate around it. That is why house sparrows are so widespread in the first place, they have adapted to all the stupid things we humans do.

> ”the birds will surely learn to ignore it” Why so sure? Did you read the papers and have any reasoning to why they will adapt?

Because of learning and/or evolution. The paper doesn't offer any reason why they shouldn't adapt, as adaptation goes this one should be pretty easy as it is basically just a mindset, probably perfectly doable within the boundaries of learning. So if they become widespread, they will stop being effective, most likely within a few years. Just like the cartoon scarecrow with a bunch of crows resting on it, it wasn't dangerous, so the crows stopped caring.

Re: Deter House Sparrows from your hanging feeder with a Magic Halo (2017)

#18
I made one of these halos 2 years ago, and my anecdotal experience is that the older (fully grown) sparrows can't figure it out, but the smaller, younger ones get through. Then, weeks later, I see fully grown sparrows at the feeder, ignoring the halo. Did the little ones "fit" and then grew too used to it to be spooked? Did the big ones learn from the little ones? I don't know.

Another observation: Because of the number of sparrows, I did pull the whole feeder down and kept it down for months. Then, when winter approached, I put the feeder and the halo back up, and no house sparrows made it through again. Did the adults who were defeating it before forget? Move on? Die? Who knows!

Re: Deter House Sparrows from your hanging feeder with a Magic Halo (2017)

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post #8

Earlier quoted context omitted.

> ”the birds will surely learn to ignore it” Why so sure? Did you read the papers and have any reasoning to why they will adapt?

Because of learning and/or evolution. The paper doesn't offer any reason why they shouldn't adapt, as adaptation goes this one should be pretty easy as it is basically just a mindset, probably perfectly doable within the boundaries of learning. So if they become widespread, they will stop being effective, most likely within a few years. Just like the cartoon scarecrow with a bunch of crows resting on it, it wasn't da…

So, considering adaptation would take years and depending on widespread adoption, this seems a very useful tool to employ for some time. Very far from “stupid things humans do”.
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