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What happened to the lab-leak hypothesis?

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Re: What happened to the lab-leak hypothesis?

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The lab-leak hypothesis is meta-scientific. When it was first tossed around, the lab leak hypothesis generated two predictions: 1. We would find evidence that someone was doing experiments on furin cleavage sites in coronaviruses. 2. We would find that the furin cleavage site matched a known sequence. We did not find 2, which should have been easy to find. Eventually, we found 1, since a rejected DARPA grant proposal…

Back up a bit. What the fuck is "meta-scientific"?

Re: What happened to the lab-leak hypothesis?

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I think understanding the origin is important, but I also understand why it wasn't a media fixation during the pandemic itself.

1) Understanding the origin doesn't change the consequences or response to the pandemic

2) Unlike the nuclear analogy in the article, pandemic virus outbreaks happen naturally, and fairly frequently. Combined with the huge increase in global travel, when one does happen it can be around the world in every airport before anyone has even identified it.

So in the big picture this type of outbreak seems inevitable, not anomalous or inherently preventable.

Understanding the origin, either by cross-species origination or a laboratory containment breach, is indeed important and significant and should be pursued, but I also understand why the search for that answer isn't at the top of the 24-hour news cycle.

Re: What happened to the lab-leak hypothesis?

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The lab-leak hypothesis is meta-scientific. When it was first tossed around, the lab leak hypothesis generated two predictions: 1. We would find evidence that someone was doing experiments on furin cleavage sites in coronaviruses. 2. We would find that the furin cleavage site matched a known sequence. We did not find 2, which should have been easy to find. Eventually, we found 1, since a rejected DARPA grant proposal…

Back up a bit. What the fuck is "meta-scientific"?

It's a polite way of saying that it was nonsense.

Re: What happened to the lab-leak hypothesis?

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This turns the issue into a political one and ignores any other parties that might have been involved.

The only thing we should care to do at this point is learn as much as we can about where the virus originated. Everything else makes the task of finding the origin harder.

Re: What happened to the lab-leak hypothesis?

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The lab-leak hypothesis is meta-scientific. When it was first tossed around, the lab leak hypothesis generated two predictions: 1. We would find evidence that someone was doing experiments on furin cleavage sites in coronaviruses. 2. We would find that the furin cleavage site matched a known sequence. We did not find 2, which should have been easy to find. Eventually, we found 1, since a rejected DARPA grant proposal…

Back up a bit. What the fuck is "meta-scientific"?

It means pseudo-scientific bullshit

Re: What happened to the lab-leak hypothesis?

#17

The lab-leak hypothesis is meta-scientific. When it was first tossed around, the lab leak hypothesis generated two predictions: 1. We would find evidence that someone was doing experiments on furin cleavage sites in coronaviruses. 2. We would find that the furin cleavage site matched a known sequence. We did not find 2, which should have been easy to find. Eventually, we found 1, since a rejected DARPA grant proposal…

From June 9:

> Over two years after the coronavirus was first detected in China, and after at least 6.3 million deaths have been counted worldwide from the pandemic, the World Health Organization is recommending in its strongest terms yet that a deeper probe is required into whether a lab accident may be to blame.

> That stance marks a sharp reversal of the U.N. health agency’s initial assessment of the pandemic’s origins, and comes after many critics accused WHO of being too quick to dismiss or underplay a lab-leak theory that put Chinese officials on the defensive.

[0]: https://www.wivb.com/news/world/who-covid-origins-unclear-bu...

Re: What happened to the lab-leak hypothesis?

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It has been proven true by anyone with common sense.

I've heard enough bullshit passed off as "it's just common sense" that anytime I hear someone use that as an argument, I take it to mean they don't have any argument other than the random thoughts rattling around in their head.

That's not to say I don't think the hypothesis didn't have some merit. But I could just as easily "it's just common sense" the other side of the argument, too.

Re: What happened to the lab-leak hypothesis?

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The lab-leak hypothesis is meta-scientific. When it was first tossed around, the lab leak hypothesis generated two predictions: 1. We would find evidence that someone was doing experiments on furin cleavage sites in coronaviruses. 2. We would find that the furin cleavage site matched a known sequence. We did not find 2, which should have been easy to find. Eventually, we found 1, since a rejected DARPA grant proposal…

Back up a bit. What the fuck is "meta-scientific"?

I'm using it to refer to applying the scientific method to the process of science itself.
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