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Why does science news suck so much?

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Re: Why does science news suck so much?

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It's not that science (or tech) news is bad, it's that all news is that bad. We just don't notice it outside our area of expertise. The next time you're reading an article about some field you're not an expert in, try to remember that it is just as bad as the news in your area of expertise.

> “Briefly stated, the Gell-Mann Amnesia effect is as follows. You open the newspaper to an article on some subject you know well. In Murray’s case, physics. In mine, show business. You read the article and see the journalist has absolutely no understanding of either the facts or the issues. Often, the article is so wrong it actually presents the story backward—reversing cause and effect. I call these the “wet streets cause rain” stories. Paper’s full of them.

> In any case, you read with exasperation or amusement the multiple errors in a story, and then turn the page to national or international affairs, and read as if the rest of the newspaper was somehow more accurate about Palestine than the baloney you just read. You turn the page, and forget what you know.”

https://www.epsilontheory.com/gell-mann-amnesia/

Re: Why does science news suck so much?

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Science is hard, slow, there's lots of negative results, and also sometimes it's very abstract and how a bit of research connects to a persons lived experience. Most people who consume the news, consume it online. The attention economy is destroying everything of substance, because substance is also hard, hard to produce and hard consume.

I don’t disagree that it may be worse in case of science but just pointing out that the problem is possibly broader and science news is just one of the victims. IMO news may be one of the areas where pure capitalism doesn’t work well.

It's also not a new phenomenon. Watch this BBC documentary that covers the history of news reporting and it goes back to the early days: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=5mJFKlla-U0

Re: Why does science news suck so much?

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I would also argue that science sucks in it's current state as well. It's all about Hirsch-Index. Looking as scientific and complicated as possible, so other scientist want to quote you and the Hirsch-Index rises. Also if numbers don't fit, they will be made fit. Fake or not doesn't really matter because no one will ever read it anyways. See the auto generating tools for papers and positive submission of them. This is by all means not the case for all scientist. There are lots of good, talented people there. But they get overshadowed by the previous mentioned.

Re: Why does science news suck so much?

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It's like this. (Not that it needs to be stated. We all know this.) The Delta Airline pilot union today put out a terse, two paragraph letter to the public, blaming the airline for their forced overtime and subsequent flight delays. There were hundreds of news articles about this, all of which strung out the lead into several paragraphs and doled out a few sentences of this bland letter. Most of them did not link to the actual letter. By reading the articles you would notice a few things:

1. They were all written by barely sentient hominids, or possibly AIs who were tasked at 4am with turning a very short letter into a clickbait story

2. None of these hominids had actually read the letter in a linear way

3. None of them had the slightest reason to think you would read all the way to the end of the article they were writing.

Take this form of 'journalism' and apply it to anything about black holes, quantum physics, strawberry ultra harvest moons, yesterday's Wordle, inflation, riots, covid, etc. and you basically have the recipe for (a) a severely bewildered population and (b) an extremely frustrated small group of people trying to hack through all this bullshit to obtain some idea of what, if anything, is actually going on.

Oh. That reminds me. This was good:

https://leightonwoodhouse.substack.com/p/the-generation-that...

Re: Why does science news suck so much?

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It's not that science (or tech) news is bad, it's that all news is that bad. We just don't notice it outside our area of expertise. The next time you're reading an article about some field you're not an expert in, try to remember that it is just as bad as the news in your area of expertise.

> it's that all news is that bad.

I don't think so. Weather news are alright, traffic news are alright, etc. There are fields that suck harder and there are fields that just work okay, maybe because they are simple enough, maybe because you can learn them once and apply what you have learned forever.

But science is different for sure and the journalism on it sucks because getting to the point where you even understand the problem might require years of preparation. And the journalist might not have had those years, despite them having to explain it in a simpler way to an audience which might even know less. A good journalist writing about any other topic might be able to grasp a topic quite firmly when they prepare for a week or two, but something as complex as the bleeding edge of any scientific field will be extremely hard to grasp at times for them (understandably so).

Now the issue is: to explain a complicated issue in a very simple fashion requires more proficiency in that subject, not less.

Re: Why does science news suck so much?

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If you're asking this question, to me you're saying you know how science works, maybe, but you have absolutely no clue how newscycles and the news work. If you'd knew both, you would definitely see the (honestly unsolvable) incompatibility between the pace and approach of science and the need for ephemeral news-able items to make a science publication actually compelling to a larger non-technical audience. A science…

>> the need for ephemeral news-able items to make a science publication actually compelling to a larger non-technical audience

What is this need of which you speak?

Let's say some responsible journalistic outlet decided to just store it up, filter it, edit it and publish it in something like Popular Mechanics. Does that mean that Yahoo and Google have to still scrape the bottom of the barrel for new daily garbage from space-fun.biz to fill their "science news" sections?

Re: Why does science news suck so much?

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It's not that science (or tech) news is bad, it's that all news is that bad. We just don't notice it outside our area of expertise. The next time you're reading an article about some field you're not an expert in, try to remember that it is just as bad as the news in your area of expertise.

It's true, many of the problems Sabine Hossenfelder cited about science news apply just as well to news about any topic.

But is the news categorically "bad"? No.

Certainly there are awful news outlets, terrible journalists, stories which never get the treatment they deserve, and a downward spiral of sensationalism and disinformation. But journalism still serves a purpose. Someone can still read news articles about topics which they aren't expert in and still be reasonably informed about the basics of whatever is going on with those topics.

Are things going to get oversimplified, improperly cited, or have background material glossed over or omitted? sure, but one simply can't write academic papers in a newspaper and expect the general public to spend the time and effort to read them.

There ARE some long form news outlets that take deeper dives, but they have a decidedly academic feel to them, which is fine for audiences who are motivated for that but these just don't fly with regular folks who just want to know what's happening and satisfy some curiosity.

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