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Ask HN: How can I use money to make money?

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Re: Ask HN: How can I use money to make money?

#11
Okay, so the most important thing about making an investment is ... that YOU are comfortable with it.

That it lives within your comfort level of risk/reward, and that you understand the downsides and the upsides. Generally, the more risky something is, the better upside. Very risk adverse? Look to something like Bonds, but the upside is lower. If you want to be comfortable, you need to factor in your timeline too. If you want your fancy new car next year, you have to steer less risky, while if you are looking at a 20-30 year timeline, a dip this fall or next year won't matter too much. And you also want a bit of diversity -- if you invest broadly, things that are going up are balanced with things that aren't doing as well.

Over a number of years, you can do very well by sticking with such a strategy. And, being comfortable means you are more likely to stick with it, rather then sell if something doesn't go great.

Re: Ask HN: How can I use money to make money?

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By far the best investment you can make is to upgrade your earning potential. I run a software consultancy and I could easily employ someone who specialized in writing software tests or a release engineer at 7x your current wage (these are unglamorous but ultimately not had things). Making 7x per hour changes the income and wealth equation dramatically. You could literally self teach both of those areas in 6 months. Two books from the library, free gitlab account, fork 2 open source projects, implement test suite, begin writing tests. Start submitting pull requests upstream when you get good.

80% of software companies can benefit from work in those two areas and they provide more value than they cost so there’s effectively infinite work.

If that field doesn’t appeal to you I’d suggest starting a business. A recent study of people who earn more than a million a year (maybe posted here two weeks ago?) has shown that it’s primarily business owners. Typically in boring, but very established value areas, typically with a local monopoly. Things like car dealerships, auto repair. The article (which I can’t find right now) also mentioned “marketing research”? which baffles me.

A clever person could learn a lot in the library over a weekend about starting and operating a business, about choosing a good business to start (businesses without a lot of competition, but a solid customer base are good. I’d choose one that will still work in an economic downturn)

Beware the taste for the expensive lifestyle. It’s easy to creep by degrees to a lifestyle beyond your means. If your expenses exceed your income it doesn’t matter how much money you make, you’ll be in debt to you reverse it. I’ve lived both ways and can tell you low expense is the only way to go.

Re: Ask HN: How can I use money to make money?

#13

By far the best investment you can make is to upgrade your earning potential. I run a software consultancy and I could easily employ someone who specialized in writing software tests or a release engineer at 7x your current wage (these are unglamorous but ultimately not had things). Making 7x per hour changes the income and wealth equation dramatically. You could literally self teach both of those areas in 6 months.…

I would love to know more about this. Will it be okay, if I mail you for more info?

Re: Ask HN: How can I use money to make money?

#14

Another thing you can invest in besides stocks, is to invest in yourself. For example, my SO is working hard to get a side business going writing romance novels. To do this, she's spent a few thousand of dollars on seminars and conventions with both a learning and a networking component (which has gotten her into a regular work group of published authors), learning as much as she could about the industry, money on co…

I agree with your comment from top to bottom and I am actually in the process of learning some sort of marketable CS based skill set… cybersecurity seems right up my alley and it’s only getting more important to secure infra against cyber attacks, so those people will paid very well I reckon!

Re: Ask HN: How can I use money to make money?

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Fastest way probably is to get a higher paying job. In terms of investments, the Rule of 72 is that a return of 7 percent a year will double your capital in 10 years. So assuming that S&P 500 will return roughly 7 percent a year, expect your capital to be doubled in 10 years. Of course there is no guarantee that the S&P 500 will continue it's upward trend it has been on.

Oh interesting, so we can purchase our way into better paying jobs now? Where do I sign up and how much does it cost?

Pay for interview practice, resume review, etc. or take a class to learn a new skill.

Re: Ask HN: How can I use money to make money?

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By far the best investment you can make is to upgrade your earning potential. I run a software consultancy and I could easily employ someone who specialized in writing software tests or a release engineer at 7x your current wage (these are unglamorous but ultimately not had things). Making 7x per hour changes the income and wealth equation dramatically. You could literally self teach both of those areas in 6 months.…

I would love to know more about this. Will it be okay, if I mail you for more info?

I believe more_corn is talking about this article: https://archive.ph/wVvTp

Previous discussion: https://news.ycombinator.com/item?id=31426440

(But maybe you meant that you were interested in software testing!)

Re: Ask HN: How can I use money to make money?

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post #5

Earlier quoted context omitted.

Oh interesting, so we can purchase our way into better paying jobs now? Where do I sign up and how much does it cost?

Pay for interview practice, resume review, etc. or take a class to learn a new skill.

Yea that feels like a stretch tbh

Re: Ask HN: How can I use money to make money?

#19
Instead of paying rent, get on the property ladder by buying a property that you can live in while paying less on a mortgage than you do paying rent. It doesn't need to be large, that first house, but it will build your equity in an appreciable asset. That asset can be used (down the track) as collateral in a loan or two when you need capital.

Re: Ask HN: How can I use money to make money?

#20
I recommend the book "The Wealthy Barber." It breaks down the basics of personal investing - it's a great place to get started.

There's a rule of thumb that says if you have a compounding interest rate, you can divide 72 by your interest rate to get the number of years before your investment doubles. (So if you're getting 7.2%, your investment doubles in 10 years.) Also, financial planners often use 7% as a rough estimate of the average returns you'll get from a well-balanced portfolio of mutual funds.

So, again: that's roughly doubling every 10 years. So run a few scenarios in your head, and you'll see how that can pay off big time. $2,000 a year now means $20,000 when you're 30, doubling to $40,000 (at 40), $80,000 (at 50), $160,000 (at 60), and $320,000 at 70. All that from $2,000 a year for 10 years. [Which, actually was also compounding even higher between ages 20 and 30.]

And there's two obvious ways to kick that up. If you do the investment in a retirement account, it's pre-tax dollars. (So the $1,000 you're investing only means giving up about $750 of your post-tax income.) Best of all, you can withdraw it early without penalty for tuition, a first home purchase or medical emergencies.

And if your employer ever offers a match to your retirement contributions, take it. It's free money they're offering you.

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