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The State of Indiana Has a Pregnancy Tracking App

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Re: The State of Indiana Has a Pregnancy Tracking App

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> As a person who is against abortion, I fail to see a problem with this.

Well obviously.

> If you’re dumb enough to have a GovCorp tracking pod

You realize its only a problem because the government has decided you cant choose what happens to you in the first place ?

Whatever your opinions on abortion, it's incredibly you simple accept it as a 'given' that a gov app would be tracking you by default. That's not an OK thing to accept.

Re: The State of Indiana Has a Pregnancy Tracking App

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The author seems to be making a big leap: assuming that when someone is accused of a crime, it's the responsibility of the accused to prove that a crime didn't actually happen. Is that actually the case? My possibly-very-flawed layman's view of the legal system is that it's on the prosecutor to prove that you did something wrong. So if you just say "oh I played around with the app and gave it random input" or "I had…

Bear in mind: If you can reasonably prove it wasn't you, you can likely go home within a day or two. If you can't, you get to personally spend a fortune on a lawyer and wait in jail and attend court for 6months to ultimately be vindicated but bankrupt and unemployed...

My father-in-law picked up his wife’s medication (narcotics) the day after she died from cancer. Just going through the motions… arrested and charged with fraud.

He’s still waiting on his court date, nearly four years later. Thank god he was allowed to post bail, go to his wife’s funeral, and live his life while he waits. His daughter who was in the car was also charged just for being in the car (she had no idea what was going on), and denied bail. She wasn’t allowed to come to the funeral.

There were several points at which someone could have said “dude, I’m really sorry, but you know your wife passed away yesterday?” Not a single person did that in that small town.

I guess the point is, even if you can prove it was someone else, or that you were just in the wrong place at the wrong time, you can spend years in jail just waiting to tell a judge.

Re: The State of Indiana Has a Pregnancy Tracking App

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You lack the foresight or the awareness of how this pans out in some cases in other countries, and there is no reason to believe this wouldn't happen here - miscarriages happen(very often in fact!) and people have been accused of terminating their pregnancy and put in prison when in fact it could have just been a regular miscarriage. The risk you put yourself under from the judicial system(which is rewarded for prose…

Worse is how it can be weaponized by just downloading it to an emulator and using someone else’s information. It’s terrifying.

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As a person who minded my own business on abortion until one saved my fertility and possibly my life, I’m grateful that the state left which manner in which my ectopic pregnancy was ended up to me and the hospital staff.

“But that wasn’t an abortion! That was a medical emergency!”

In Poland now, and Ireland before women’s liberation a few years ago, I’d likely have had the tube taken out, because that’s what a certain “Catholic” interpretation says is saving my life, with the end of the (absolutely unviable) pregnancy is just a sad side effect. Bam! Instant 50% reduction in fertility!

In El Salvador, I very well would have just bled to death. Well, I wouldn’t have, because I’m wealthy enough to fly somewhere sane or pay a doctor under the table - methotrexate is one of the oldest chemotherapy agents, but also how most ectopic pregnancies, including mine, are ended in places with decent medical services.

Nearly ten years after that, I finally had my long-desired child.

Re: The State of Indiana Has a Pregnancy Tracking App

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The author seems to be making a big leap: assuming that when someone is accused of a crime, it's the responsibility of the accused to prove that a crime didn't actually happen. Is that actually the case? My possibly-very-flawed layman's view of the legal system is that it's on the prosecutor to prove that you did something wrong. So if you just say "oh I played around with the app and gave it random input" or "I had…

In some states miscarriage will be a crime if it believed the lifestyle choices of the mother caused the miscarriage. The biggest example is drug usage but it’s unclear what other lifestyle choices will be considered.

https://www.bbc.com/news/world-us-canada-59214544.amp

Re: The State of Indiana Has a Pregnancy Tracking App

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The author seems to be making a big leap: assuming that when someone is accused of a crime, it's the responsibility of the accused to prove that a crime didn't actually happen. Is that actually the case? My possibly-very-flawed layman's view of the legal system is that it's on the prosecutor to prove that you did something wrong. So if you just say "oh I played around with the app and gave it random input" or "I had…

In some states miscarriage will be a crime if it believed the lifestyle choices of the mother caused the miscarriage. The biggest example is drug usage but it’s unclear what other lifestyle choices will be considered. https://www.bbc.com/news/world-us-canada-59214544.amp

This is similar to a legal conundrum I once thought of: As a matter of rational jurisprudence, could a woman be prosecuted for drinking while pregnant? Or, at the very least, could either the state or the eventual child sue the mother for medical damages?

Re: The State of Indiana Has a Pregnancy Tracking App

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In some states miscarriage will be a crime if it believed the lifestyle choices of the mother caused the miscarriage. The biggest example is drug usage but it’s unclear what other lifestyle choices will be considered. https://www.bbc.com/news/world-us-canada-59214544.amp

This is similar to a legal conundrum I once thought of: As a matter of rational jurisprudence, could a woman be prosecuted for drinking while pregnant? Or, at the very least, could either the state or the eventual child sue the mother for medical damages?

The research for pregnancy is also not great in general so it really leaves a wide scope of attack. For example, there are arguments that alcohol in moderation is not bad for the fetus. For alcohol to be bad you have to exceed the mothers ability to process it. One night of heavy drinking can cause severe harm, but one glass of wine a day may be able to be processed without issue(I am not a doctor, do not use this comment as a justification to drink while pregnant ;-)

Re: The State of Indiana Has a Pregnancy Tracking App

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The author seems to be making a big leap: assuming that when someone is accused of a crime, it's the responsibility of the accused to prove that a crime didn't actually happen. Is that actually the case? My possibly-very-flawed layman's view of the legal system is that it's on the prosecutor to prove that you did something wrong. So if you just say "oh I played around with the app and gave it random input" or "I had…

Technically, yes, innocent until proven guilty. In practice, however...

The fact is women are already being prosecuted, and in some cases jailed, over miscarriages. There have been cases already where women have been charged and even convicted, even when it was unclear whether or not they intentionally caused the miscarriage. And don't lose sight over the trauma women will have to endure fighting these types of charges, even if they manage to not be convicted.

Roe V Wade hasn't even been overturned yet and this shit is already happening.

Re: The State of Indiana Has a Pregnancy Tracking App

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> As a person who is against abortion, I fail to see a problem with this. Well obviously. > If you’re dumb enough to have a GovCorp tracking pod You realize its only a problem because the government has decided you cant choose what happens to you in the first place ? Whatever your opinions on abortion, it's incredibly you simple accept it as a 'given' that a gov app would be tracking you by default. That's not an OK…

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